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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2006 at 04:25
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

since quote windows would be too confusing, and as Ivan's blue fonts clearly discriminates between ideas, I  put myself inWink
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Krautrock, Prog-Folk and Canterbury scene already includes what can be classified as such, no need to look for possible candidates in Space bands list. (well, there are several German bands in Space genre which actually fit in Krautrock better, but as these are already spaced-out acts, it's no wrong keeping them here)
Canterbury already has a Psyche element blended with Fusion and of course a clear ethnic reference, so I don't see why change things there, the same happens with Kraut, I believe the things are clear there. 
 
as you can see from my previous post in red; I was saying the same thing with youWink I said "keep them where they are"...
 
as for proto-prog; Eetu is definitely right about Pink Floyd, so I have another solution, which I already expressed to Ghost Rider (who was suggesting to abolish "proto-prog" genre completely) in another thread:
 
Honestly I don't believe Proto Prog must abolished by any means, Psychedelia and Progressive Rock are two different genres, related as an a grandfather to his grandson  and nothing more.
 
Proto Prog is the natural link between both, despite it has some Psyche elements, there has to be a link between Psyche and Prog, things don't happen in one instant, the Romantic musicians of December 31, 1899 didn't turned into Modern Musicians Jan 1, 1900 by art of magic, there was a link that started with Wagner and wiith the Russian Nationalist movement, this last one also called Post Romantic.
 
The same happens with Psyche, it didn't turned by art of magic into Prog, there had to be a missing link and thuis is Proto Prog.
 
as much as you might keep the proto-prog genre (though Ghost Rider seems to be determined to do away with it Wink) there must certainly be a "psychedelic prog" genre apart from space rock...  
 
 
Arthur Brown Psychedelic? Please man Arthur Brown did something Psychedelic musicians didn't dreamed of, blended several genres, from Prog to Hard Rock with the druggy Psychedelia........... Sweetw@ter added orchestral arrangements and even Cello and Flute to the Farfuisa Organ based Psychedelia, the Moody Blues added a full Symphony Orchestra and there's very little of Psychedelia in them.
 
I already told I believe "the ones I know" were surely psychedelic... Arthur Brown is certainly not one of themWink the only work of Arthur Brown I'm acquainted with is his Schulze collaborations (and it's way past '60's...) OK, I give you right here, and to an extent about Moody Blues (despite their experimentations with symphonic orchestra, they are still classified as psyc. or art rock by other sources, as AMG.. besides, as everyone knows, the orchestra didn't actually accompny them, just filled in...)
 
Yes, they are the direct ancester but because it's the genre more related, Proto Prog is more a missing link betwen both genres that explain why some bands remained making druggy Farfisa solos shouting against Vietnam and others progressed into full Prog bands.
 
I also admit your "missing link" claim... nevertheless, many of the bands listed in the archives are less than that missing link (which is characterized by artists like Arthur Brown, Moody Blues, Zappa, even Beatles to an extent): I don't see any imaginative "missing link" characteristics in, say, Jefferson Airplane and Iron Butterfly (great psychedelic jamming, though...)
 
 
Sorry, but Zappa has a connection with nobody, Zappa was Zappa and nothing more can describe him, some sites mention Zappa Music as a sub-genre in himself, I don't agree with personally created sub-genres but Frank is the case in which I'm closer to believe, because Zappa is a whole universe in himself.
 
zappa certainly has a "connection"... otherwise he wouldn't be making "rock" music at allWink of course, he has his own style, but his connection to psychedelia (again, in his own way!) cannot be denied IMHO...
just my two Turkish New CentsLOL
Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2006 at 05:00
Originally posted by Bilek Bilek wrote:

...as much as you might keep the proto-prog genre (though Ghost Rider seems to be determined to do away with it Wink) there must certainly be a "psychedelic prog" genre apart from space rock...  
 
Why not let "Psychedelic prog" consume "Space rock" completelly? It is after all a sub genre of "Psychedelic rock", or at least I comprehend it so. Smile Question I quess Hawkwind, Alien Planetscapes, Quarkspace and Amon Düül (the English lineup) fit to "Psychedelic rock" just fine too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2006 at 12:55
Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

 
Why not let "Psychedelic prog" consume "Space rock" completelly? It is after all a sub genre of "Psychedelic rock", or at least I comprehend it so. Smile Question I quess Hawkwind, Alien Planetscapes, Quarkspace and Amon Düül (the English lineup) fit to "Psychedelic rock" just fine too.
 
I honestly believe that Proto Prog is differet to Psychedelia.
 
Proto Prog has elements both of Psychedelia (In most cases) and of Progressive Rock (Also in most cases, in others only influential).
 
But it's crucial in the understanding Prog, you can't understand a genre or almost anything if you don't understand their proto history before, Proto Prog is really the logical step in evolution from Psyche to Prog.
 
But at the end I believe a genre called Psychedelia/Proto Prog would work well.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2006 at 02:27
I suggest, let the proto-prog be there as it is, but what could be done is defining where does the line go dividing "Psychedelic prog" and "Proto prog". I recall Alucard suggested a genr called "West coast psych", and maybe this stuff could be included in the proto prog. I'm not sure if there's a collab for proto prog yet named?
 
Also "Space rock" could be just included as a part of "Psychedelia", as Hawkwind and Amon Düül can be described as Psych easily.
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