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Points: 3484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2005 at 14:03
Originally posted by CaincelaOreinim CaincelaOreinim wrote:

As of now I agree with Floyd's AHM...Disagree with Tales as I like all the material on it.

And can you really consider tracks like Lateralus and Ticks and Leeches Tool's epics?  If anything, their epic at this point is Resolution (Disposistion:Reflection:Triad) and it's one of my favorites from them...I thought it was something like past the 15 min. mark deemable as an "epic".  But whatever, an epic is whatever an epic is to you.

Also, I'm still not too keen on Octavarium, there's something about it that's missing...a center of sorts.  It almost suffers from an Opeth like syndrome of cut and copying riffs (note: I am a fan of Opeth) to make a seemingly cohesive whole. 

I would define Third Eye by Tool an epic as well, which is awesome.
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I know it's not an epic, but "Through her eyes" from SFAM with Dream Theater is 6 minutes with torture!!! I hate the melody, it sounds like music from a silly pop album! Ugh!
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Rockpommel's Land by
Grosssh*t is absolutely,laughable tripe.One of the
most embarrassing albums I have ever heard


TFTO -of course and yes,I agree about Fountains
Of Lamneth.Brain Salad Surgery is way over-rated
too..............



Blimey! I'd forgotten about ELP their whole career
was epically awful....

Well I like Tarkus but KarnEvil 9 is VERY over-rated
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Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Well I like Tarkus but KarnEvil 9 is VERY over-rated

aaaaggghhh!!

i think KE9 is fantastic!

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Points: 5964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 04 2005 at 14:11
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:

Well I like Tarkus but KarnEvil 9 is VERY over-rated

aaaaggghhh!!

i think KE9 is fantastic!



Well I think it's rubbish. Come on everyone, join in! We could keep this up for days!
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Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

I know it's not an epic, but "Through her eyes" from SFAM with Dream Theater is 6 minutes with torture!!! I hate the melody, it sounds like music from a silly pop album! Ugh!

 

And I love it

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Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

I know it's not an epic, but "Through her eyes" from SFAM with Dream Theater is 6 minutes with torture!!! I hate the melody, it sounds like music from a silly pop album! Ugh!

 

Agree. For me it's an epic of torture and cheese.

My other suggestions:

UFO - 'Star Storm' (from their second album, a prog effort) - bland drumming, unimaginative solos, riffs devoid of any energy.

Refugee - 'Grand Canyon' and 'Credo' - neither aggressive nor lyrical, nor eccentric. I'm very surprised this band is all five stars in the archives.
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"The Fountain Of Lamneth" (singular, not plural "Fountains"), is a good piece, IMO. Although as a whole, it lacks the cohesiveness of 2112, it's got greatness in it's parts (the guitar solo in "No One At The Bridge" is an amazing example). It's a good first step for Rush, but it's not too terrible, I think. It took me a bit to get into it and understand it better, but now it's one of my favorite side-long epics!

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Originally posted by The Letter M The Letter M wrote:

"The Fountain Of Lamneth" (singural, not plural "Fountains"), is a good piece, IMO. Although as a whole, it lacks the cohesiveness of 2112, it's got greatness in it's parts (the guitar solo in "No One At The Bridge" is an amazing example). It's a good first step for Rush, but it's not too terrible, I think. It took me a bit to get into it and understand it better, but now it's one of my favorite side-long epics!

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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:


Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by gdub411 gdub411 wrote:


Well I like Tarkus but KarnEvil 9 is VERY
over-rated



aaaaggghhh!!


i think KE9 is fantastic!



Well I think it's rubbish. Come on everyone, join in!
We could keep this up for days!


hmm the first 30 seconds of KE9 are good.....


actually no they're not
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by The Letter M The Letter M wrote:

"The
Fountain Of Lamneth" (singural, not plural
"Fountains"), is a good piece, IMO. Although as a
whole, it lacks the cohesiveness of 2112, it's got
greatness in it's parts (the guitar solo in "No One At
The Bridge" is an amazing example). It's a good first
step for Rush, but it's not too terrible, I think. It took
me a bit to get into it and understand it better, but
now it's one of my favorite side-long epics!
-Marc.


singular not singural




hey leave that guy alone!!
didurals and narpulets is cool
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I'm a Rush fan but the first time I listened to 2112 I couldn't believe what I heard. "Overture" and "Temples of Syrinx" are good but the rest is just a lousy, incoherent pile of musical mediocrity and second-rate melodies. For me 2112 is definitely one of the most overrated epics ever.   

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Originally posted by Miaugion Miaugion wrote:

I'm a Rush fan but the first time I listened to 2112 I couldn't believe what I heard. "Overture" and "Temples of Syrinx" are good but the rest is just a lousy, incoherent pile of musical mediocrity and second-rate melodies. For me 2112 is definitely one of the most overrated epics ever.   

WHAT!!!!!!!  First, Tales from the Topographic now this!!

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I love Tales, all 4 sides!

KE9: almost any minute of it is just fantastic.

Floyd's Atom Heart Mother doesn't deserve to be bashed, I guess...

I guess most '90s and '00's bands don't know how to make an epic anymore. It's like knowledge that has expired, like the embalming of the ancient Egyptian mummies. Relics from a distant age. Nowadays it's too much cut and paste. Too many fragments, too little unifying conceptual material. Learn from ye olde masters, Yes, Genesis, ELP, Procol etc. 

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TFTO - I love the album, but not every second is up to the same standard.

KE9 - One of the best epics ever made.

Love Supreme - LOVE this song. FANTASTIC epic.

Just getting my point out there on some of the songs you all mentioned.
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Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

TFTO - I love the album, but not every second is up to the same standard.

KE9 - One of the best epics ever made.

Love Supreme - LOVE this song. FANTASTIC epic.

Just getting my point out there on some of the songs you all mentioned.

Couldn't have explained any better.
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Mekanik Destruktiw Kommandöh

Now there's an epic that is truly great.


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Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

I guess most '90s and '00's bands don't know how to make an epic anymore. [...] Nowadays it's too much cut and paste. Too many fragments, too little unifying conceptual material.



DT's "A Change of Seasons" is surprisingly coherent, the dramaturgy "works".

Oh, and don't forget Marillion's "Misplaced Childhood" if that can be regarded as one single epic track. I think it's a masterpiece of rock dramaturgy and structure that no other classic epic can keep up with (despite its rather keyboard heavy overall sound).   
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"Misplaced Childhood" is Marillion's decline from mediocre to unbearable.


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