The genius of Krzysztof Penderecki

lucas wrote: And yes, Krzysztof Penderecki is pure sh*t (too much hype because there are too much snobs who claim that they listen to music full of emotion while it's only noise or distorted sounds : other composers like Jacques Ibert play beautiful music but stay in the shadow), with comparison to Fryderyk Chopin, just like Pierre Boulez is pure rubbish with comparison to Claude Debussy.   Open your ears : There is too much garbage in contemporary music.

I have no intention of defending contemporary music in general. 90% of what I find leaves me cold. I'm talking about Penderecki because to me its obvious that he sticks out. Sorry for getting all emotional when I hear Threnody or Dies Irae. I'm didn't know I was just fooling myself. But I would never claim that's how I feel when listening to Polymorphia or Partita. Is this "emotion" thing what music must be about all the time? Not to my ears. the two latter compositions are complex soundworlds to be enjoyed for its richness, ideas and genuine otherness alone. More like Zappa or Bartok, than the creators of beautiful music.

 I actually find it offensive that you question my sincerity. Music is my obsession, I listen to it while working all day every day. I've opened my ears to Penderecki and whatever you hear in it, its not garbage. Understand that if people look for, want and find different things in music than yourself, it doesn't have to be "fake". If not, take your issues and aggression elsewhere.

Btw: Did you know that for the last 35 years Penderecki has composed in a traditional, late romantic style? Some of it is really beautiful and moving, and some of it is depressingly boring. Try Concerto for Cello and Orchestra. I would have guessed Mahler if I didn't know better.

Henry Plainview wrote: Why is is that people feel comfortable calling avant-garde fans snobs and fakes,

I'm sure you have your own thoughts about that (feel free to share).

People prefers to think of others as the idiot or a fake, before admitting their own insufficiencies. I've done that myself.

Listening to "the dream of Jacob" : makes me want to go out and kill the first person I meet...

^ not sure I would suggest this music as a therapy to treat pateints with bipolar disorder...