Prog Albums Tournament: Tarkus vs. Lizard |
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mahavishnujoel
Forum Groupie Joined: August 27 2010 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 65 |
Posted: September 16 2010 at 22:37 | ||||
lizzzzzzzzzzzzzard!!!!! tarkus is good but KC takes the lead
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CCVP
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: September 16 2010 at 22:45 | ||||
Are you guys kidding me? Tarkus is one of the apexes of progressive rock wile Lizard is just a forgotten KC album sandwiched between their two big 70's incarnations.
Sometimes this website is just . . . . wow. EDIT: well, I can understand that, knowing how so many people just LOVE ELP. They aren't my favorite band either, but credit is payed where credit is due. . . . Edited by CCVP - September 16 2010 at 22:48 |
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crimhead
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Posted: September 16 2010 at 23:10 | ||||
I didn't think Crim had a chance against Tarkus.
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thellama73
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Posted: September 16 2010 at 23:20 | ||||
Lizard is not a forgotten KC album. In fact, it's one of the best albums the band ever released. Tarkus is epic, but the rest of the album is so weak that it really makes for a tough sell. I am not surprised by this poll result at all. |
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Casimir
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 00:46 | ||||
Tarkus, definitely. Lizard just never really "clicked" with me. (Except for "Indoor Games." I love that song.)
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26369 |
Posted: September 17 2010 at 01:37 | ||||
So one of the most important prog albums by ELP v anything by KC is on a loser. Edited by richardh - September 17 2010 at 01:38 |
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13431 |
Posted: September 17 2010 at 02:41 | ||||
I don't love much both those two albums, but I like Tarkus a bit more.
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someone_else
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 03:50 | ||||
I haven't heard some tracks of Lizard yet, so I don't vote. But it's a matter of fact that I like ELP's other pre-Works albums more. The title epic on tarkus is great though...
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CCVP
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: September 17 2010 at 06:03 | ||||
The ammount of reviews say otherwise. . . .
And I do really love Lizard. Tarkus is just far more important and just plaily better. It really amazes me how many people don't like the second part of the album, it is much more experimental and progressive than Lizard. . . .
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Anirml
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 09:09 | ||||
Lizard is completely unique. You don't find any other songs that sound like Indoor games, Cirkus or Happy Family (atleast I haven't found any). For me the long title track is for winter times I wouldn't even mind if it was voted as number one best prog album ever! If you "get into" Lizard you will be amazed . It seems to get better and better with time, for me. |
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MonsterMagnet
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 31 2010 Location: Ličge, Belgium Status: Offline Points: 561 |
Posted: September 17 2010 at 09:36 | ||||
Without hesitating : Lizard
The song "Tarkus" is a masterpiece, the album is a 3 stars album (even if I like "The Oily Way" and "Infinite Space" enough). But Lizard is one of the best albums of all times and rare are the albums which surpass it! |
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MonsterMagnet
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 31 2010 Location: Ličge, Belgium Status: Offline Points: 561 |
Posted: September 17 2010 at 09:37 | ||||
Without thinking : Lizard
The song "Tarkus" is a masterpiece, the album is a 3 stars album (even if I like "The Oily Way" and "Infinite Space" enough). But Lizard is one of the best albums of all times and rare are the albums which surpass it! |
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SaltyJon
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 10:07 | ||||
The thing is, the poll asks for this: "Which one do you prefer?" not "Which one is more important/progressive?" and apparently more people prefer Lizard (like me), whether or not they've reviewed it. I haven't reviewed either one. |
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Roj
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 11:18 | ||||
Hmmm, Tarkus is making a decent fist of this. Another vote will help....
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Logan
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Posted: September 17 2010 at 11:49 | ||||
My contribution to CCVP's post: The number of reviews indicate that it's a forgotten album? Not only is King Crimson such a huge band at PA that I don't think one could call any of the studio albums forgotten, but Lizard has many reviews and a total of 366 ratings with a score of 4.11. Maybe my tastes are often obscure enough that I have a very different concept of forgotten or what qualifies as many reviews. Just to focus on the late 69 through 70's albums, Lizard has more ratings and a higher rating than the subsequent album, as well as the former album, as well as Starless.... And the number of ratings isn't even that far behind what is many people's favourite King Crimson album (including mine), Larks' Tongues in Aspic. I would hardly call any of these forgotten. 4.56 | 917 ratings In The Court Of The Crimson King 3.73 1969 3.73 | 313 ratings In The Wake Of Poseidon 1970 4.11 | 366 ratings Lizard 1970 3.77 | 275 ratings Islands 1971 4.35 | 426 ratings Larks' Tongues In Aspic 1973 3.84 | 258 ratings Starless And Bible Black 1974 4.48 | 567 ratings Red 1974 Now let's look at Tarkus: 4.04 | 311 ratings Tarkus 1971 Tarkus has fewer ratings at PA than Lizard as well as a lower "score". So what's your point? The poll results seem in-line with that. Tarkus is not plainly better to me, nor is it plainly more progressive (I would say that Tarkus was a considerable progression for ELP from the debut, but I prefer the debut). This poll is about preferences, though, and I can say that Lizard is plainly better for me. I really like it, whereas I don't care for Tarkus. Even when I liked ELP muchly, Tarkus, on the whole, left me cold. I do prefer King Crimson in general. And while there are many ELP detractors at PA, it's clear that there are many who love ELP. Edited by Logan - September 17 2010 at 12:03 |
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DeKay
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 16 2010 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 158 |
Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:36 | ||||
Lizard. That wasn't easy
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CCVP
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: September 17 2010 at 14:30 | ||||
I guess you are right Greg, that does fit PA's opinion on both, but this website does create some distortions.
ELP sold millions upon millions of albums wile KC struggled through decades to sell 500k copies of their most known and famous album (the debut), on the US, not to mention that ELP is a band that is instantly recognized or remembered as a progressive rock band even outside the prog cicles, something that KC is not. But you are right in anyway. Edited by CCVP - September 17 2010 at 14:31 |
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thehallway
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
Posted: September 20 2010 at 14:34 | ||||
Tarkus: Immense song, sh*t album
Lizard: Immense song, Immense album
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Kojak
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 03 2010 Status: Offline Points: 264 |
Posted: September 20 2010 at 14:41 | ||||
You know, Tarkus just slightly ahead of Lizard...
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26369 |
Posted: September 20 2010 at 14:53 | ||||
The 'song' as you call it makes up half the album. This seems contradictory to me therefore.
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