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Points: 3167 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 13:35
Yea dude- Desperate Graves is as punchy as anything of theirs
Also, Teflon, and geeeez yea its all pretty amazing.
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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 13:36
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

^ Octahedron packs a punch? Wink


Yeah, I unasbashedly love Octahedron. Cool


I do too, I love all their albums; they're newest is really really good.

But where does Octehedron "pack a punch", aside from Cotopaxi? Wink


Emotional punch.


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My version has Conjugal Burns and Candy And A Currant Bun snipped off, and I swear, it's better as a result.
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"Copernicus" ftw
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Points: 22774 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2012 at 22:09
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

"Copernicus" ftw
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Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

My version has Conjugal Burns and Candy And A Currant Bun snipped off, and I swear, it's better as a result.
 
I think both tracks are great !
Anyway i feel no presure listning to more tracks at the time, than what im in the mood of.
I find it hard to understand why not.
Sometimes i just pick 4-5 tracks from an album, other times i play totaly random, other times i dig deep, and listen to a compleete album 2 times in a row, with or without the bonus. ect. ect.
 
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

ftw
 
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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For the win. Bedlam is amazing. Though all of their albums are, a fan of them all.
 
Llyena, Cavalettas, and Goliath are my favorites off of the album.
 
Sure it could be shorter, but i don't think the insanity gets too monotonous.
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I personally HATE The Mars Volta. I became depressed from listening to De-Loused in Comatorium because it's extremely pretentious, sounded like pseudo-emo scene bullsh*t that is popular now, and complexity-for-complexity's sake which people seem to think is artistic. I enjoyed listening to At The Drive-In so I thought that DLIC maybe sucked because Rick Rubin was one of the producers so I listened to Bedlam In Goliath and it sound like pussy scene kids trying to make a sh*tty, long, and censored version of The Locust. I only listened to the first three tracks because I don't ever want to listen too a pretentious and censored Locust that make 10-min. songs. Though I must say, I prefer a censored Locust than De-Loused in Comatorium.
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Originally posted by Of Illuminati Of Illuminati wrote:

I personally HATE The Mars Volta. I became depressed from listening to De-Loused in Comatorium because it's extremely pretentious, sounded like pseudo-emo scene bullsh*t that is popular now, and complexity-for-complexity's sake which people seem to think is artistic. I enjoyed listening to At The Drive-In so I thought that DLIC maybe sucked because Rick Rubin was one of the producers so I listened to Bedlam In Goliath and it sound like pussy scene kids trying to make a sh*tty, long, and censored version of The Locust. I only listened to the first three tracks because I don't ever want to listen too a pretentious and censored Locust that make 10-min. songs. Though I must say, I prefer a censored Locust than De-Loused in Comatorium.

If you don't like it no-one's forcing you to listen to it.... We don't take kindly to that kind of post in these forums - we like to be friendly in disagreement and have chats about the music we love. No-one benefits from hate speeches.

On to the topic at hand LOL In my opinion the first half of Bedlam is the best thing they've ever done, but the second hald drags a bit which can make listening to it all in one go a bit of a sonic chore.

That being said it's still a 5* album for me.   

Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Yea dude- Desperate Graves is as punchy as anything of theirs
Also, Teflon, and geeeez yea its all pretty amazing.

Luciforms is one of my favourite tracks of all time... Such a fantastic album... Not so sure about the new one though. Bit uninspired in places.


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Of Illuminati: Being *actually* depressed by music is *always* the listener's fault, not the music's. Rational people recognise that some music evokes depressive moods/atmosphere but that doesn't overturn the reality of their life and make them depressed.
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Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Of Illuminati: Being *actually* depressed by music is *always* the listener's fault, not the music's. Rational people recognise that some music evokes depressive moods/atmosphere but that doesn't overturn the reality of their life and make them depressed.


The exception is Johnny Cash in his latest years.
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No. His recording of The Mercy Seat might be terrifying in vibe but that doesn't mean I find it frightening and flee from it. There's no exception to this rule if you recognise something as art. If you believe objects/songs have "magical properties" that can change people's mental states, not just remind them of a feeling but actually unavoidably give them that feeling regardless of what else is going on in their life, go ahead but I won't be joining you.
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Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

No. His recording of The Mercy Seat might be terrifying in vibe but that doesn't mean I find it frightening and flee from it. There's no exception to this rule if you recognise something as art. If you believe objects/songs have "magical properties" that can change people's mental states, not just remind them of a feeling but actually unavoidably give them that feeling regardless of what else is going on in their life, go ahead but I won't be joining you.


Ah yes, I forgot.  Whatever you say is reality and those who don't agree are deluded morons.  Ermm

A piece of music is a part of a person's reality.  It is an element of what is going on in his or her life.  My listening to a song is just as real as having an argument with my wife.  Both events are real and both events can affect my mental state.
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I know you're going to think this is a cheap shot, it's really not intended as one, but all joking aside, you actually do think some objects such as crosses/bibles etc do have special properties that "do things" right? (Or at least you might appreciate that this is how it seems to me.) You might apply this thinking to other stuff and imbue songs, books, colours etc with the power to *make* people do things. You'll have noticed the correlation between fundamentalists and people who believe that heavy metal makes you kill yourself, or that playing Grand Theft Auto trains you to be a criminal, even if you are not one of them yourself.
 
It's a failure to distinguish between imaginary emotional roleplay which we all enjoy doing and do constantly as a source of amusement, and genuine emotional response to factors which are going to affect our physical situation. But then, some people subconsciously need to blend the two together to compensate for gaps in their range of genuine emotional experience.
 
I guess it comes down to how sensitive you are to certain things. For instance, I don't care about the colour of a ceiling. It could be white, it could be green, it could be black, I have no belief that ceiling colours will change me and so I don't register them beyond noticing them. They don't make me feel anything.
But people who are highly sensitive to colour might say something very different in terms of how the colour of the ceiling makes them feel. They would be correct to say it made them feel this way as well, because it actually would.
 
But I think when I listen to serious music, I'm acting. I'm playing a character, exploring the inner depths with this music as stimulus. It's like watching a movie. It isn't genuine sadness/excitement related to my situation so therefore I don't act on it.
 
I'm kind of concerned that you think listening to a song has the same level of reality/importance as an argument with your wife. It quite clearly doesn't or at the very least, shouldn't. Not everything exists on the same plane to your subjective perspective. Through where you direct your mental focus and how intensely, things rise and fall in terms of how accutely you perceive them. If "argument with wife" and "song playing in background" are on the same level at the same time, there's a problem.
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Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

I know you're going to think this is a cheap shot, it's really not intended as one, but all joking aside, you actually do think some objects such as crosses/bibles etc do have special properties that "do things" right? (Or at least you might appreciate that this is how it seems to me.) You might apply this thinking to other stuff and imbue songs, books, colours etc with the power to *make* people do things. You'll have noticed the correlation between fundamentalists and people who believe that heavy metal makes you kill yourself, or that playing Grand Theft Auto trains you to be a criminal, even if you are not one of them yourself.
 
It's a failure to distinguish between imaginary emotional roleplay which we all enjoy doing and do constantly as a source of amusement, and genuine emotional response to factors which are going to affect our physical situation. But then, some people subconsciously need to blend the two together to compensate for gaps in their range of genuine emotional experience.
 
I guess it comes down to how sensitive you are to certain things. For instance, I don't care about the colour of a ceiling. It could be white, it could be green, it could be black, I have no belief that ceiling colours will change me and so I don't register them beyond noticing them. They don't make me feel anything.
But people who are highly sensitive to colour might say something very different in terms of how the colour of the ceiling makes them feel. They would be correct to say it made them feel this way as well, because it actually would.
 
But I think when I listen to serious music, I'm acting. I'm playing a character, exploring the inner depths with this music as stimulus. It's like watching a movie. It isn't genuine sadness/excitement related to my situation so therefore I don't act on it.
 
I'm kind of concerned that you think listening to a song has the same level of reality/importance as an argument with your wife. It quite clearly doesn't or at the very least, shouldn't. Not everything exists on the same plane to your subjective perspective. Through where you direct your mental focus and how intensely, things rise and fall in terms of how accutely you perceive them. If "argument with wife" and "song playing in background" are on the same level at the same time, there's a problem.


I am a materialist.  I don't believe in magic or souls.  I don't believe in charms like crosses or beads.  Nothing has "special properties."  Everything has "regular properties."  Everything I come into contact with shapes who I am in some form or another.  My interaction with you right now is having an effect on me.  My drinking coffee right now is having an effect on me.  This moody music from Phideaux I'm listening to right now is having an effect on me.  There is nothing magical about that.

Music enters our brains and our brain releases chemicals in response.  This is a scientific fact.  Nothing magical or weird about it.

I'm quite concerned that you don't comprehend what I say.  I never said music has "the same level of reality/importance" as an argument with my wife.  I said they are both real and both a part of my life and therefore have an effect on me.  That is all.  Stern Smile
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Hahaha Headbangerforum wars are metal.
 
 
Honestly, its pointless that you guys are fighting over something that Of Illuminati said. He obviously was just throwing around hate speech and attempting to get a rise out of people and your argument just gives him what he wants.
 
Let's agree here, that people see different things differently. I personally believe that music has powers to change attitudes, but it is only in the mind of the people that think those things. If you don't let music change your mood, it won't. If you believe "depressive black metal" has the ability to actually make you depressed, then it will. It is all in your mind.
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Emo's not really that big anymore, not like it used to be. It's all about dubstep and wubstep now.
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Originally posted by Of Illuminati Of Illuminati wrote:

I personally HATE The Mars Volta. I became depressed from listening to De-Loused in Comatorium because it's extremely pretentious, sounded like pseudo-emo scene bullsh*t that is popular now, and complexity-for-complexity's sake which people seem to think is artistic. I enjoyed listening to At The Drive-In so I thought that DLIC maybe sucked because Rick Rubin was one of the producers so I listened to Bedlam In Goliath and it sound like pussy scene kids trying to make a sh*tty, long, and censored version of The Locust. I only listened to the first three tracks because I don't ever want to listen too a pretentious and censored Locust that make 10-min. songs. Though I must say, I prefer a censored Locust than De-Loused in Comatorium.

This is a pretty funny post actually. Clap
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Originally posted by Of Illuminati Of Illuminati wrote:

I personally HATE The Mars Volta. I became depressed from listening to De-Loused in Comatorium because it's extremely pretentious, sounded like pseudo-emo scene bullsh*t that is popular now, and complexity-for-complexity's sake which people seem to think is artistic. I enjoyed listening to At The Drive-In so I thought that DLIC maybe sucked because Rick Rubin was one of the producers so I listened to Bedlam In Goliath and it sound like pussy scene kids trying to make a sh*tty, long, and censored version of The Locust. I only listened to the first three tracks because I don't ever want to listen too a pretentious and censored Locust that make 10-min. songs. Though I must say, I prefer a censored Locust than De-Loused in Comatorium.

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