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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2013 at 11:55

I am not depressed now because great events are taking place in my life..but I have , in the past experienced depression to a extreme and I lost control. I had to sort out in my mind..that the music business was an empire of criminal activity which differed from the local farmer or banker in town. Based upon my constant observations of people's characteristics in general..I was determined to hate society and link them in with the offending sexual promiscuity/drug hand outs of promoters/venue owners/agents/managers , but no..the entire world is not like that..usually the huge percentage of people who do not attend your gigs are straight up people? I can't believe I had to go on meds for that. I was told by my psychologist that it is very typical for an entertainer/musician/composer to be tormented and hounded by people the whole of their life and that most of them reject society, attempting to escape the day to day vapor pain claws. No doubt this happened to me because I traveled the road close to 30 years, suddenly quit and was faced with living in a real world of domestic lifestyle.

In the late 70's and early 80's , I didn't know what it was like to be a real person. I spent most of my time in and out of buses/limos, stages, dressingrooms, recording studios and a corporation took care of me. After years of this lifestyle..I felt disfunctional in the real world.Eventually after about 5 years, I lost my contacts and decided to lower by expectations by performing in casinos and clubs and having to do everything for myself which was a nightmare. I still had agents/managers, but not the full scale corporation treatment.

My first wife who ran the light show was working roots on me. This came to my attention by a Christian musician I traveled with. He first took notice of my pale condition, lack of eating..etc...He then focused on my wife, observing her and one day told me that she was a witch performing a spell on me. He said to check to see if there was a piece of hair in my shoe..or if I had been examining my food . He caught her mixing roots in my food with a blender and explained that it was a form of mojo/voodoo. We shared an immediate common interest upon meeting with the Herman Hesse novel "Steppenwolf" . For years I had thought my wife was only interested in Sci-Fi novels. I discovered after 5 years of marriage..that she had been born into a Satan worshippers sect on her mother's side of the family.

I had 2 weeks off from the road and traveled back home with my wife. One night she wondered off and not returning for hours. There was a crash at the door and I opened it finding her lying on the steps bleeding. I called my friend outside . he opened the car door and I laid her in the back seat. She was sliced and had carvings of pentagrams on her body. I rushed her to the ER and was greeted by 2 police officers and a doctor who insisted that the cocaine up her nose made it possible for this whole tragic event to revolve around a drug ring related incident. I explained the carvings or symbols had more of a direct connection or lead to solving the mystery..but they disagreed. How do you explain to the poilce that your wife has just been attacked by a Satan cult? They were more concerned about a drug bust than anything else which gives sadistic cults an edge on getting away with murder. This depresses me.

I think my position is moronic because I have never practiced witchcraft or belonged to a Satan cult. I was surrounded by the corruption of it in my youth and so I am some type of victim, I don't know how to term. I had friends that suffered through Satanic ritual abuse as children and teenagers. Our area.. for some reason or another.. was corrupted with a sect which according to police officials had traveled from the west coast. in '69. A young man , age 20 who often tutored students in our school  asked his 2 friends to drive him to a deserted pond in the hills. After giving a brief service to the Devil..Michael asked to be tied and bound and pushed into the lake. He wanted to return as a captain to rule over 40 legions of demons. This derives from the works of Colin De Plancey and it's a Judeo-Christian concept. A few days after his death..police discovered members of a wealthy group posing as Christians in Assembly Of God Church. The pastor then de-programmed a total of 90 teenage devil worshippers. Those were the Satan cults that were widespread in Cumberland County.Only 1 or 2 members of these cults were in contact with the elderly sect who were very wealthy . Police discovered evidence of 50 members present on the night that Michael was murdered. There was no physical evidence and so the 2 year investigation did not hold water in court. Michael's murder took place in 1971. Children missing, screams and chanting in the wooded areas of my hometown had been present since the mid 60's. I guess you can call this an isolated incident of the extreme..although I do not know how else to describe it without coming across as an extremist?

This elderly group reminded me of the "Dark Shadows" series in the 60's. Their outfits as such were accountable for who they were and what was on their agenda. I was dining with vamps and I escaped quickly. If the younger cults , who were an extension of the elderly sect..spotted you in the woods, they would chase you and run you down, picking you up and throwing you quite a distance or simply drag you through the dirt/mud to prove a point. I still have nightmares from that. For years I wore nothing but black because I felt shame over avoiding Satanic ritual abuse like my friends. I had escaped and felt the guilt for others. Some of them had to be de-programmed converting to "Born Again" , but declined in the area of personality due to that further programming. I knew their personalities..I grew up with them, but now they were strangers. This depresses the crap out of me ..today.

I am still curious if Barbara Hutton was a member of this sect. She was a wealthy actress and her family line owned the Woolworth Five and Dime stores. She was married to Cary Grant and she owned a venue not far from my hometown. It was designed like a European castle with black mirrors on the inside. The place was still open to the public when I performed there in 1983. The staff were dressed in black robes, there were black mirrors and Rock bands performing. When I went outside on my break..there was a girl standing , holding a rat and giving me her x-ray eyes. I've had nightmares about this. As I said before...I have never took part in the left hand path movement and feel that my personal experiences as a musician state otherwise. I left for the road at age 18 to escape this environment of human blatter puffs to exceed in the positive. I studied guitar since age 7 and any kind of religion was a distraction to my developing stages as a serious player. I did cross paths with these people again in the 80's when I was asked to play Classical guitar by candlelight in their mansions. I was lured into that by money, but unaware of it's existence for the first few gigs. They hide in plainsight which is a diversion of telling on others to take attention away from what they, themselves do. This gives me nightmares.    



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2013 at 12:13
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The worst thing about depression is that you are not able to enjoy anything. Normally I enjoy listening to music, reading books, watching good movies, visiting things, keeping my place nice and clean... with the depression I don't feel like doing anything at all, I try listening to music and it annoys me, I try reading and after 1 page I put the book down, I try to watch a movie and it bores me, my place is dirty and I don't feel like cleaning, I try to go out for a walk and I feel like threatened, just wanting to be back to 'safe home' again...  pfffff, it's sh*t Ouch
I know that feeling, and I still get it from time to time.  I think we all do, to varying degrees of intensity and frequency.  I just hope you can bounce back soon, and I wish you well.  Hug
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2013 at 12:50
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That's quite something bigger than my depression, I wish you well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2013 at 13:04
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That's quite something bigger than my depression, I wish you well.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2013 at 13:07
I'm suffering from it at the moment.To be frank I don't wish to talk about it because it's a very bad state of mind but I would like to add that I wish the best to any forum member or any human being suffering from it.Basketball,Marvel Comics,Spaghetti Westerns and Krautrock help me a lot.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2013 at 14:51
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

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That's quite something bigger than my depression, I wish you well.
Same for me.  That's heavy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2013 at 16:08
Originally posted by fusionfreak fusionfreak wrote:

I'm suffering from it at the moment.To be frank I don't wish to talk about it because it's a very bad state of mind but I would like to add that I wish the best to any forum member or any human being suffering from it.Basketball,Marvel Comics,Spaghetti Westerns and Krautrock help me a lot.


Marvel Comics? You're depressed to the point to read Marvel Comics??? Damn, that must be a hell of a depression...

Huh, when thinking about it... Which Marvel era or titles?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 18 2013 at 18:01
I have (undiagnosedly) been depressed since high school. In my case it isn't very severe most of the time, but more subtle and feels like it's a part of my personality. I think it's dysthymia, but I've never seen a professional about it. Luckily, the internet is a great way to distract myself from it. :D< id="bpm-darkle"> < id="bpm-invert">
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by fusionfreak fusionfreak wrote:

I'm suffering from it at the moment.To be frank I don't wish to talk about it because it's a very bad state of mind but I would like to add that I wish the best to any forum member or any human being suffering from it.Basketball,Marvel Comics,Spaghetti Westerns and Krautrock help me a lot.


Marvel Comics? You're depressed to the point to read Marvel Comics??? Damn, that must be a hell of a depression...

Huh, when thinking about it... Which Marvel era or titles?
Hello C Picard I must admit it's quite hard but I keep saying that some people have worse lifes than mine so I sometimes can feel better.Thanks for being sympathetic,by the way how are you?Most of the Marvel Comics I read are classic Fantastic Four by Kirby or Buscema,classic Thor by Kirby,X Men by John Byrne and also old magazines like Strange,Titans,Nova,Special Strange.Which titles do you read?Who is your favorite Marvel character?Mine is Wolverine and I really like Doctor Doom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 04:58
An interesting topic. Lizzy gave some great advice back there on first page, I don't need to repeat it. I have read some bunch of articles, books etc. on the subject, both part of my studies and because of personal interest. The causes of depression are of course wide and very individual, so it is hard to give any general advice for self-treatment (Which is always needed, no matter what meds you take. If you don't want to be healed, you most likely won't.) However, maybe one of the best ones is this: "Whatever works for you, do it." It may sound simple, even like a cliché, but it.. well, works Tongue Our minds are brilliant, adaptive things that have a lot of potential for anything. If you'd like to see a therapist to talk about your problems and think it might just work, go see him. If you think going for a walk on a sunny day might cheer you up, do it. If you think alcohol is a big factor keeping you mood very low, try to lower your consumption. If you think your SSRI's are working, well fine. If you think they're not, consider a different option. If you're not sure what to think, talk to someone or keep a diary to sort your thoughts out. You're not alone, there are a LOT of people struggling with the same things you are, and many many of them have sought help and found it. Start with small, even tiny changes and if it works, even a tiny bit, bring in some more.There is always hope.

OK, I'm not near being a professional (yet), and I might sound like a total optimist but I'm actually not. I'm a quite introvert and a bit melancholic person, and have even had a period of some four months which I think could have passed as a mild depression. Yet I enjoy life a lot, much more than what I would have thought some years ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 05:35
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I have (undiagnosedly) been depressed since high school. In my case it isn't very severe most of the time, but more subtle and feels like it's a part of my personality. I think it's dysthymia, but I've never seen a professional about it. Luckily, the internet is a great way to distract myself from it. :D< id="bpm-darkle"> < id="bpm-invert">
I don't know how old you are but if this condition annoys you you should see a professional, you never know, they may help or not but it may be worth trying.
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An interesting topic. Lizzy gave some great advice back there on first page, I don't need to repeat it. I have read some bunch of articles, books etc. on the subject, both part of my studies and because of personal interest. The causes of depression are of course wide and very individual, so it is hard to give any general advice for self-treatment (Which is always needed, no matter what meds you take. If you don't want to be healed, you most likely won't.) However, maybe one of the best ones is this: "Whatever works for you, do it." It may sound simple, even like a cliché, but it.. well, works Tongue Our minds are brilliant, adaptive things that have a lot of potential for anything. If you'd like to see a therapist to talk about your problems and think it might just work, go see him. If you think going for a walk on a sunny day might cheer you up, do it. If you think alcohol is a big factor keeping you mood very low, try to lower your consumption. If you think your SSRI's are working, well fine. If you think they're not, consider a different option. If you're not sure what to think, talk to someone or keep a diary to sort your thoughts out. You're not alone, there are a LOT of people struggling with the same things you are, and many many of them have sought help and found it. Start with small, even tiny changes and if it works, even a tiny bit, bring in some more.There is always hope.

OK, I'm not near being a professional (yet), and I might sound like a total optimist but I'm actually not. I'm a quite introvert and a bit melancholic person, and have even had a period of some four months which I think could have passed as a mild depression. Yet I enjoy life a lot, much more than what I would have thought some years ago.
Thanks. I believe in everything you said, even if when you are in the dark depths it's easier said than done. I think that I'm already past my lowest deep and starting the way up, I still have trouble enjoying any activity but at least I can now force myself a bit to engage in some activity, even if it's still by consciously forcing myself rather than by genuinely feeling like it.
The arrival of spring weather is also helping, winter has been very long in Belgium and as a Spanish I don't deal well with cold, darkness and rain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 05:45
i have never been depressed permanently, but have suffered like we all do of moments of depression, the cause is impossible to identify, i don't think it's important to know the cause of our depression, and the only solution is to keep moving on and some happiness will naturally come back as long as you can enjoy the little pleasure of life and don't want to be the most happy guy in the world. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 05:57
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

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An interesting topic. Lizzy gave some great advice back there on first page, I don't need to repeat it. I have read some bunch of articles, books etc. on the subject, both part of my studies and because of personal interest. The causes of depression are of course wide and very individual, so it is hard to give any general advice for self-treatment (Which is always needed, no matter what meds you take. If you don't want to be healed, you most likely won't.) However, maybe one of the best ones is this: "Whatever works for you, do it." It may sound simple, even like a cliché, but it.. well, works Tongue Our minds are brilliant, adaptive things that have a lot of potential for anything. If you'd like to see a therapist to talk about your problems and think it might just work, go see him. If you think going for a walk on a sunny day might cheer you up, do it. If you think alcohol is a big factor keeping you mood very low, try to lower your consumption. If you think your SSRI's are working, well fine. If you think they're not, consider a different option. If you're not sure what to think, talk to someone or keep a diary to sort your thoughts out. You're not alone, there are a LOT of people struggling with the same things you are, and many many of them have sought help and found it. Start with small, even tiny changes and if it works, even a tiny bit, bring in some more.There is always hope.

OK, I'm not near being a professional (yet), and I might sound like a total optimist but I'm actually not. I'm a quite introvert and a bit melancholic person, and have even had a period of some four months which I think could have passed as a mild depression. Yet I enjoy life a lot, much more than what I would have thought some years ago.
Thanks. I believe in everything you said, even if when you are in the dark depths it's easier said than done. I think that I'm already past my lowest deep and starting the way up, I still have trouble enjoying any activity but at least I can now force myself a bit to engage in some activity, even if it's still by consciously forcing myself rather than by genuinely feeling like it.
The arrival of spring weather is also helping, winter has been very long in Belgium and as a Spanish I don't deal well with cold, darkness and rain.

Great to hear that you're getting better, even if slowly. Yeah, thoughts are one thing and actions are another. Many times depression can keep it's grip longer than it would have to because the negative thoughts just move like waves, always returning and creating unhealthy cycles that prevent the healing things from entering your life. If this happens, finding a way to deal with them, change them to more positive ones or even finding something to distract your attention from them is the key. (Besides the things you like or at least used to like a lot, praying or meditation, physical exercise, having good time with friends and a good old dose of fresh air can do the trick, at least temporarily. Most cognitive therapies also work based on these principles). Winter's darkness is a bitch, but the Sun is coming again Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 05:57
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I have (undiagnosedly) been depressed since high school. In my case it isn't very severe most of the time, but more subtle and feels like it's a part of my personality. I think it's dysthymia, but I've never seen a professional about it. Luckily, the internet is a great way to distract myself from it. :D< id="bpm-darkle"> < id="bpm-invert">
I don't know how old you are but if this condition annoys you you should see a professional, you never know, they may help or not but it may be worth trying.

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I would always advise talking to a professional. It may take a while to find a therapist that is right for you as an individual, but it's worth searching.

In the UK, various talking therapies are available on the NHS. CAT (Cognitive analytical therapy) and CBT (Cognitive behavioural therapy) are popular, especially the latter. In fact CAT may have been ditched now in favour of CBT. I had a course of CAT back in 2004. Because of the very templated and scheduled nature of it, it wasn't for me. The NHS therapists have little choice but to clock watch and stick to a script, because of the way the treatment is funded and all manner of resource issues. These therapies tend to consist of a course of around 16 sessions. The therapist will show you all manner of flow charts and diagrams to explain the relationship between feelings and behaviours. This didn't help me, because I understood all that anyway. It may help people who 'don't understand' why they feel the way they do.

I decided on private therapy, which isn't as costly as I expected, £45 per hour, once every three weeks or so. It isn't a set course and I can have the appointments in the evening, and not have to take time off work for it. It's an opportunity for me to open the valve and let it out. This probably saves my friends a lot of grief! That said I have explained to small number of close friends that I have an ongoing condition. In my opinion it's crucial that some people know what's going on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 07:06
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I have (undiagnosedly) been depressed since high school. In my case it isn't very severe most of the time, but more subtle and feels like it's a part of my personality. I think it's dysthymia, but I've never seen a professional about it. Luckily, the internet is a great way to distract myself from it. :D< id="bpm-darkle"> < id="bpm-invert">

That's exactly how I have been feeling for the past 5 years or so (I'm 18 now, it started when I was about 13). I won't explain the reasons why I feel that way because they are too personal, but let me tell you that I have contemplated suicide a couple of times, although not in a very serious way. Anyway, hope keeps me moving on Smile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 07:36
I wonder on one thing

can neurology or neuro therapy used to deal with psycologic ilnesses

btw i do not have depression that much, stress and angst is my issues
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 13:17
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

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That's quite something bigger than my depression, I wish you well.
Same for me.  That's heavy.
 
There are others who have experienced the same or worse. I may be the only member of P.A. who has? However..some do not care to share their experiences. I do because I feel old and the experiences feel like a lifetime ago..which means that to share is mainly for observation to others. I am no one special and do not desire to come across as showboating shock stories as opposed to maybe simply observing the story itself and realizing that events which seem farce to some, actually have taken place in this lifetime
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 19 2013 at 13:58
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

I wonder on one thing

can neurology or neuro therapy used to deal with psycologic ilnesses

btw i do not have depression that much, stress and angst is my issues

Well, I guess it depends on the causes behind the depression. Some depressions are purely physiological, caused by a reduced production of the neurotransmitters related with pleasure. But others have an exterior cause (sometimes life's a Censored). In this case I don't believe drugs are useful, even if they seem to solve the problem, because they don't go to the bottom of it, and just mess up with your mind and poison your body. Hey, at least the pharmaceutical companies make one hell of a profit out of people's misery, so at least someone is happy Stern Smile.

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