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hellogoodbye
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Posted: August 03 2014 at 17:35 |
Maurice Jarre.
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genbanks
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Posted: August 03 2014 at 17:40 |
hellogoodbye wrote:
Maurice Jarre. |
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Dean
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Posted: August 03 2014 at 17:52 |
hellogoodbye wrote:
Maurice Jarre. |
Very under-appreciated composer.
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richardh
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Posted: August 04 2014 at 01:16 |
Below clip from Gallipoli featuring JM Jarre but not the one I was thinking of. Part 2 is used very effectively at one point. I thought it worth posting this up given the significance of today. I would recommend watching this film as your own personal commemoration
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richardh
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Posted: August 04 2014 at 01:27 |
Dean wrote:
richardh wrote:
Oxygene Part 2 is easily one of the best electronic pieces I've heard. I'd love to hear anything else remotely like that.
also used brilliantly as part of the Peter Weir film Gallipoli at a key moment , so obviously must be soulless and bland |
each to his own and there is no accounting for taste. To my ears it's simplistic, repetitive and has some well-timed synth sci-fi effect noises all over it, but it is completely devoid of any soul, emotion or passion - even Tomita managed to squeeze more emotion out of electronic music than this. It certainly does not conjure feeling of fear, panic, anticipation or any other emotion that you'd expect on Turkish battlefield in WWI. So I think you maybe influenced by the visual more than the aural in that - maybe that works "brilliantly" for you but for me that was a most incongruous piece of film scoring. Sometimes incongruent film-scoring really does work brilliantly, A Clockwork Orange being a prime example, but not in this case, I half expected to see Empire Stormtroopers to come marching over the hill firing laser-rifles "pew-pew, pew, pew-pew-pew, pew, pew".
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The stupid little confused emoticon. I would ban that bugger from this forum , we could all use it just because we don't like someone else's opinion
Much electronic music is repetitive and virtually ALL of it could be described as 'devoid of any soul ,emotion or passion' as you put it. Give me an example of EM that isn't? I believe of any genre its probably the most personal and difficult to get a grasp of. I couldn't tell you why I like Vangelis - Beauborg for instance. Something that was knocked up in a lunchtime yet it has something about it. Jarre was a student of EM so it may seem that all his work is derivative yet I struggle to compare his music to anyone else. The nearest to Jarre to my ears is Edgar Froese solo work Stuntman which came a couple of years later. That has much of the same feel but of course if anyone was copying anyone it was Froese copying Jarre.
My favourite JM Jarre album is Rendez - Vous. That has some truly epic material and memorable moments (Ron's Piece for instance). Its even fun in places but I guess that's bland and souless as well.
Edited by richardh - August 04 2014 at 01:28
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Dean
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Posted: August 04 2014 at 02:47 |
richardh wrote:
The stupid little confused emoticon. I would ban that bugger from this forum , we could all use it just because we don't like someone else's opinion
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I don't, I use it when I don't understand someone's opinion or comment.
That you like Oxygene and I don't is irrelevant and of no concern to me, I should have snipped off your first two sentences in the quote to avoid this confusion but unfortunately I didn't. I voiced my opinion and you gave a sarcastic reply in direct response to that so I defended my opinion. If you think I have commented on your opinion of the piece, that you like it and I don't, then I apologise because I don't believe I did and certainly did not intend to.
In this instance the confused emoticon was used for your sarcastic "so obviously must be soulless and bland" comment in regard to its use in Gallipoli that the emoticon immediately followed, I then went on to explain why.
Like minimalist music, most good electronic music is not repetitive, that's the most misunderstood and misrepresented characteristic of it - the repeated motifs change. Similarly I don't find that virtually all electronic music is devoid of emotion, quite the opposite - the music of Vangelis and Froese can be very evocative for me. Due to the lack of touch-sensitivity on early synthesiser keyboards some of it lacks expression then so does some harpsichord music for the same reason, but that does not imply there is no emotion in it.
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Svetonio
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Posted: August 04 2014 at 03:49 |
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Roj
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Posted: August 04 2014 at 07:30 |
You can put me firmly in the Oxygene camp. For me this was the album that introduced me to EM (it was the first album I ever bought, something I'm quite proud of actually ). A truly ground breaking album that I love even now.
The TD one is ok but not a patch on some others by them around that point of their career.
If the poll had been Oxygene 7-13 vs Stratosfear I'd still have gone with Jarre.
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richardh
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Posted: August 04 2014 at 13:20 |
Dean wrote:
richardh wrote:
The stupid little confused emoticon. I would ban that bugger from this forum , we could all use it just because we don't like someone else's opinion
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I don't, I use it when I don't understand someone's opinion or comment.
That you like Oxygene and I don't is irrelevant and of no concern to me, I should have snipped off your first two sentences in the quote to avoid this confusion but unfortunately I didn't. I voiced my opinion and you gave a sarcastic reply in direct response to that so I defended my opinion. If you think I have commented on your opinion of the piece, that you like it and I don't, then I apologise because I don't believe I did and certainly did not intend to.
In this instance the confused emoticon was used for your sarcastic "so obviously must be soulless and bland" comment in regard to its use in Gallipoli that the emoticon immediately followed, I then went on to explain why.
Like minimalist music, most good electronic music is not repetitive, that's the most misunderstood and misrepresented characteristic of it - the repeated motifs change. Similarly I don't find that virtually all electronic music is devoid of emotion, quite the opposite - the music of Vangelis and Froese can be very evocative for me. Due to the lack of touch-sensitivity on early synthesiser keyboards some of it lacks expression then so does some harpsichord music for the same reason, but that does not imply there is no emotion in it.
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okay I was sarcastic admittedly but the comment 'soulless and bland' is something I would only ever reserve an opinion for something like production line pop music created by Stock Aitken and Waterbracket. Oxygene is probably not the masterpeice it's often made out to be but it does have enough good moments to elevate it above eighties pop music imho.
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manfromstoke
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Posted: August 11 2014 at 14:51 |
The Tangs for me. JMJ is more accessible to the masses and the fact he used a Laser harp designed by another great synth composer Bernard Szajner on the China tour does give him credibility in my book but not enough to sway decision.
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