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Argonaught
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^I completely agree, and I am glad that you said this (because no-one here will listens to me) I really want to see rating abuse stamped out .. preferably through prevention rather than playing whack-a-mole with someone who signs up under 15 different names.
Anyone interested should be able to join, and to begin making good faith contributions to the discussions. Everyone knows that forum posts are personal opinions only, and takes them as such. But the PA average ratings are different; they either represent-, or appear to represent the prevalent opinion of the PA community as a whole. Thus, when people post their reviews and ratings, they de-facto speak on behalf of, well, everyone here. It's not unfair to ask them to wait until they are qualified to do so. No-one's gonna die. If they get upset and quit because they can't slap an album with a bunch of one-star ratings under different names, good riddance. Edited by Argonaught - October 25 2014 at 16:54 |
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Angelo
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I reported a few more tonight. Not sure if anything can be done though - we devised the rating calculation to be such that ratings only count with a far lesser weight than reviews, and these are outweighed by collaborator reviews. Usually, that works, and it may be less work than removing the trolls. However, after 8 years I also tend to feel its about time to send out a bit of a stronger signal here...
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odinalcatraz
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Ha ha!! I gave up getting involved in all this but I LOVE the "Whack-a-mole" comment. Brilliant! Some one told me he didn't even need an email address to sign up. Isn't that a bit odd? No site has that weakness these days I thought. |
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aapatsos
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Important not to set too many barriers for young members joining as said by Sonia. Progressively , the site has tried to dis-incentivise the use of rating-only and I think we are getting there. Maybe some fine tuning is still required.
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Bonnek
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I'm not so sure how this whole weighted calculation works. Take this album for instance as an example. It hasn't got too much reviews/ratings so calculation shouldn't be too difficult to simulate? http://www.progarchives.com/album-reviews.asp?id=44375 This album has got 3 reviews 1 x 5 star rating by member 1 x 5 star rating by collaborator 1 x 4 star rating by collaborator On top 52 ratings. This gives an overal average is only 3.81, which is very low for PA standards and especially so if you look at the appreciation in the reviews. |
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Kati
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You peaked my interest Bonnek :) looked them up and so far only managed to hear bits on CD Universe, however this was enough for me to know I will not be able to judge them or their music. They are more death metal compared to my music preference hugs
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Dean
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The weightings are simple: rating only = x1 review = x10 collab review = x20 working out the average would be:
There is a discrepancy between that and the published average of 3.81 (55 ratings) because the total hasn't been recalculated since 5 bogus ratings were deleted. (I suspect those were 3x1-star and 2x2-star) To see whether the ratings are "fair" you need to look at the distribution of votes, this little bar-chart on each album page is far more informative and meaningful than any calculated average:
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Bonnek
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Thanks for this!
Sound like they'll need another review to get this refreshed Edited by Bonnek - October 31 2014 at 04:09 |
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Argonaught
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I can't remember if this was in this thread or somewhere else: I "accidentally" discovered that, after a few fake reviews have been removed, the system doesn't automatically recalculate the average rating. I went to my own review, changed the rating (e.g. from 4 to 3 stars), saved it, then changed the rating back to what it was (from 3 to 4 stars) and saved again. This way you don't need to wait for a new reviewer to trigger the recalculation.
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Kati
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Positive feedback in terms of this new software update, the new thanks button love that! Also I seem not to have any problem whatsoever typing taking my time post and not having the text I typed disappear! Ha! I like it! I like this! A massive hug
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Xonty
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This guys reviews are pretty extreme - about 80% 5-star and 10% 1-star.
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=52858
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Haha Pavlovs Dog get one 5 star album, and 4 one start album. Apparently Dream Theater have done 33 5 star albums, singles and dvds!! Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - November 01 2014 at 09:07 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=47220
An user named Matt T rate The Endless River with 5 stars. Even if there's only 2 songs who came out.
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aapatsos
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Remains to be seen if abuse on this (yet another new) entry is about to begin - hope not
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Argonaught
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Why even enable the rating/review feature before the album has been released?
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aapatsos
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This user seems to outright assign 1-star to every S Wilson and P Tree release there is out there...http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7677
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timothy leary
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http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=49724&listreviews=rate&showall=true#reviews
Nothing wrong here.......evidently 2014 is a bad year for prog
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Tom Ozric
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I rated Love Beach with 3 stars. Is that inappropriate ??
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odinalcatraz
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As long as nobody finds out! |
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