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BaldJean
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Posted: August 26 2005 at 06:09 |
I always loved this biting comment of John about his former friend. though I am certain he is exaggerating some; the role of McCartney was more important than he makes it. but it is definitely true that McCartney's output is more or less muzak. "Live and Let Die" is a nice exception though
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: August 26 2005 at 06:12 |
Does anybody remember what John Lennon said about Blood, Sweat & Tears?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 26 2005 at 06:13 |
BaldJean wrote:
I always loved this biting comment of John about his former friend. though I am certain he is exaggerating some; the role of McCartney was more important than he makes it. but it is definitely true that McCartney's output is more or less muzak. "Live and Let Die" is a nice exception though
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No, its not true. Mccartney is and was an excellent composer of music!
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: August 26 2005 at 06:37 |
IMHO "Lizard" is musically brilliant, but I don't like Haskell's vocals - in fact, I do prefer Adrian Belew's vocals to Haskell's. I don't like his bass playing too. But I love all songs here.
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BiGi
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Posted: August 26 2005 at 07:59 |
Snow Dog wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I always loved this biting comment of John about his former friend. though I am certain he is exaggerating some; the role of McCartney was more important than he makes it. but it is definitely true that McCartney's output is more or less muzak. "Live and Let Die" is a nice exception though
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No, its not true. Mccartney is and was an excellent composer of music! |
I definitely agree!
I love most of his music, though he has also an inclination for cheesy throwaway (one of the songs of his that I hate most is Silly Love Songs...but it must be said that its version on Give my regards to Broad Street features an outstanding slap bass!)
Ok, now let's get back to the topic otherwise the other fellows will get upset!
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A flower?
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lmollea
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 08:54 |
BiGi wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
The best lyrics on "Lizard" are to the track "Happy Family", a song
about the Beatles. (Uncle Rufus = Ringo, Cousin Silas = George, Nasty
Jonah = John and Judas= Paul; their pic + Yoko Ono (the wife of "Nasty
Jonah") appears on the cover).
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I didn't know that! What can I say? ROTFL!!!
I love Beatles, yet knowing this Happy Family gains another 10 points up my liking ladder!!! |
I re-read the lyrics with this hint...
How can I say?
My God...
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Semm che, semm che settà giò in del bar / a cercà l'universo nel bucèer del Cynar
cosmonauti al tavolino cun la sigareta in bùca / che vemm a cambià el mund apena finissum la sambuca
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greenback
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 11:13 |
lizard is among their best albums: it is also their most jazzy one!
i appreciate it very much also because fripp plays sensitive & decent guitar notes!
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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goose
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 12:08 |
Sean Trane wrote:
on this one they progressed!!!!
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The Hemulen
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 13:56 |
I think it's my second favorite Crimson album, behind ITCOTCK. Cirkus is one of their best songs. And, if Lizard (the song) were shortened by about 5-10 minutes, they would have had an album to rival Court. I don't think there's a weak track on the album, with the exception of Lizard being a little overblown. I even like Happy Family and Indoor Games.
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omri
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:16 |
I agree with snow dog & others that good music needs time to get used to.
I agree with Saen trane that "The battle of glass tears" is briliant.
Being a fan of KC for many years and loving Lizard for more than 20 years now, it is obvious that I think different than thelostchord (a great album of the moodies bty). For me Lizard is one of the most wonderfull albums ever made from start to end. Their most jazzy album on one hand and then very classical bolero on the other hand. Very soft in Lady of the dancing water and Prince Rupert awakes and then very rough with Cirkus and parts of The battle of glass tears.
I also think that Haskel's voice fits great in the first side of the record (Cirkus to lady) and fails a beat only in the begining of battle. Happy family & Indoor games are sang just the way they should IMO.
But ............ your right to think else. From here it seems like your loss.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:20 |
^ I'm glad someone else is sticking up for Haskell too, col ha kavod!
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the icon of sin
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 17:53 |
I freakin' love Lizard, i prefer it to Islands (although only just) and Wake of Posiedon (by quite a way).
"Cirkus" is indeed an inspired song with amazing acoustic playing by Fripp, even though in recent interviews he pretty much dismisses all the guitaring on the 1st four albums as crap. I quite like the Beatles inspired "Happy Family" and "Indoor Games" is also not bad by a long shot. The title track certainly has its moments - shorten it by 3-4 minutes in some of the long, drawn-out sections and it could be near perfect jazz-prog.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 18:00 |
the icon of sin wrote:
I freakin' love Lizard, i prefer it to Islands (although only just) and Wake of Posiedon (by quite a way).
"Cirkus" is indeed an inspired song with amazing acoustic playing by
Fripp, even though in recent interviews he pretty much dismisses all
the guitaring on the 1st four albums as crap. I quite like the Beatles
inspired "Happy Family" and "Indoor Games" is also not bad by a long
shot. The title track certainly has its moments - shorten it by 3-4
minutes in some of the long, drawn-out sections and it could be near
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No, I just love the drawn-out improvisations. Lizard has the closest to an improvised fugue that was ever made in prog.
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Biggles
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 18:08 |
I didn't think much of it the first time I heard it either. Like any good prog rock album, you have to give it some patience and allow it to settle in before you can fully understand it.
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Paulieg
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 18:10 |
Lizard is one of my favorite Crimson albums right behind "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" and "In The Court Of The Crimson King". The music on this album is magic to my ears. It has a way of transporting me to another time and place. I always thought of this album as a very "English" album and could imagine myself in Renasissance period England when listening to it. It takes a certian magic for music to transport me to another time and place and this album is full of this magic.
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the icon of sin
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Posted: August 27 2005 at 18:13 |
BaldFriede wrote:
the icon of sin wrote:
I freakin' love Lizard, i prefer it to Islands (although only just) and Wake of Posiedon (by quite a way).
"Cirkus" is indeed an inspired song with amazing acoustic playing by Fripp, even though in recent interviews he pretty much dismisses all the guitaring on the 1st four albums as crap. I quite like the Beatles inspired "Happy Family" and "Indoor Games" is also not bad by a long shot. The title track certainly has its moments - shorten it by 3-4 minutes in some of the long, drawn-out sections and it could be near perfect jazz-prog.
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No, I just love the drawn-out improvisations. Lizard has the closest to an improvised fugue that was ever made in prog.
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Suppose...I'll listen to it now and concentrate. I forgot to mention how much i like the classical parts of Lizard! Completely unlike their other stuff.
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nousommedusolei
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 03:29 |
This album is far from miserable.
The only track I don't really care for is "Indoor Games", though it's still a good listen.
Cirkus. Where do I begin? Anyone who says Fripp isn't melodic needs to hear this song. His guitar work is inspiring.
"Happy Family" is nice, with great Jazz piano work by Tippet and funny, ironic lyrics.
"Lady of the Dancing Water" is a nice, calm piece.
"Lizard" is epic. And that's that.
I can understand why some people wouldn't like it. I had to give it a little time, too.
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cluckie
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 04:56 |
so many people cant be wrong eh? i fell in love with the album as soon as i heard it. very dark album to me, not sure where i was in my life but it seemed to be very fitting. think the vocals are great also. this album holds a special place in my collection. give it another go as youre sure to love it.
what a great thread though, with a very interesting beatles tangent. great 
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cluckie
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Posted: August 28 2005 at 05:02 |
omri wrote:
I also think that Haskel's voice fits great in the first side of the record (Cirkus to lady) and fails a beat only in the begining of battle. Happy family & Indoor games are sang just the way they should IMO.
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in fear of being ignorant what is IMO
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