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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Well, that's what I'm saying: as soon as there is a D in the chain vinyl format becomes useless ... or at least superfluous.
You'd be surprised how mant vinyls are pressed from MP3


Mmmhhj!!!.. Beard (and hair) trimming equipment is indeed the other hipster fixation, but the vinyl collection is the subsidiary question that sets apart the men from the hipipister LOLWink


Ohh...no no no!! I can't read the whole article as I have zero desire to register with WSJ. But there are no production plants, mastering houses that use an MP3 to master and press a record, an MP3 is not an accepted file to produce a master file for pressing.
Now there are some records that are CD drops, like needle drops, to be on the cheap and the SQ is for the shat!! I think DT12 was close to a CD drop, the vinyl is horrid terribly compressed and lifeless.

I have no idea who these artists are and what their issue was.......but you can read here from GZ Vinyl a well respected, known mastering house and pressing plant in Europe. They use DMM process or Direct Metal Mastering so they eliminate one of the stampers in the process, direct to copper plate. Here is there technical sheet on what to send them for mastering to vinyl, you can scroll to 2 Material Required for Mastering.

They also state the following:
2.1.1.2 Non-recommended and inappropriate formats: Lossy compressed audio formats: 
• MP3, MP2, MP1 (MPEG-1 Layer 3, 2 and 1) 
• MP4, AAC, M4A (MPEG-4, Advanced Audio Coding) 
• AC3 (Dolby Digital), DTS (Digital Theatre System Coherent Acoustics) 
• WMA (Windows Media Audio, Microsoft), MOV (QuickTime) • OGG (OggVorbis), MKA (Matroska Audio), RA, RM (Real Audio, Real Media)


Mastering houses like GZ, Optimal Media, Sterling Sound, MPO are the ones to look at for how mastering and pressing for vinyl is done to achieve brilliant gorgeous sound, they also press CDs if u wanna buy one of those!! Big smile

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total BS

His hipster's trimmed a tailored beard is probably longer than Khomeiny's, nowadays LOL

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Well, that's what I'm saying: as soon as there is a D in the chain vinyl format becomes useless ... or at least superfluous.
You'd be surprised how mant vinyls are pressed from MP3


Mmmhhj!!!.. Beard (and hair) trimming equipment is indeed the other hipster fixation, but the vinyl collection is the subsidiary question that sets apart the men from the hipipister LOLWink


Ohh...no no no!! I can't read the whole article as I have zero desire to register with WSJ. But there are no production plants, mastering houses that use an MP3 to master and press a record, an MP3 is not an accepted file to produce a master file for pressing.
Now there are some records that are CD drops, like needle drops, to be on the cheap and the SQ is for the shat!! I think DT12 was close to a CD drop, the vinyl is horrid terribly compressed and lifeless.

I have no idea who these artists are and what their issue was.......but you can read here from GZ Vinyl a well respected, known mastering house and pressing plant in Europe. They use DMM process or Direct Metal Mastering so they eliminate one of the stampers in the process, direct to copper plate. Here is there technical sheet on what to send them for mastering to vinyl, you can scroll to 2 Material Required for Mastering.



Can't help you with the WSJ (but difficult to find more serious journalism), so I've got a French article glancing that article. Telerama is the intelligent and reliable french TV guide .

https://www.telerama.fr/musique/le-vinyle-ne-tourne-plus-tres-rond,161200.php?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1501245641




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Found a ‘98 CD not issues on LP....would be nice too.

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not sure if anyone else has said this yet, but i think Rajaz by Camel is quite deserving. Released in 1999 and sounds just like how it would’ve in the 70’s (in a good way).
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Soundtracks for the Blind never had an LP release until 2018
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

AFAIAA, even in the later 90's, most bands (or labels anyways) wanting to sell in the UK kept pressing vinyls, because that's where the format never died and had die-hard fans in big enough numbers to make a difference and being heard.

Sooo, I don't think there are too many good albums that do not have an historical vinyl release (often UK-only). Probably much less than there are good albums that have never received a CD release

I remember seeing Floyd's TDB, RATM's debut album, PJ's Vitalogy, GYBE! albums in vinyls

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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I was too lazy to search Discogs by title to review release info but looks like that might be my best bet. I've been culling my CD collection and I keep wondering, 'Is this on LP?'

CD's have a very low resale value, so a CD only or limited release might have a better market price.

So that raises a second question...

Why don't CD's have a similar value as LP's, even more recent releases?

I'm guessing the following factors:
-Mass production (for the most part)
-Durability (things that can wear out quicker (LP's) are more valuable if kept safe)
-Hipness
I would say three things make LPs more expensive than CDs:
1) Clever music marketing people have made the LP cool again.
2) LPs probably cost more to produce.
3) A lot of people think LPs sound better. To my ears LPs sound better on a lot of music, but when it comes to modern digitally produced electronic music, CDs sound fine. To my ears, older acoustic music that was recorded on analog equipment sounds better on LP.
For instance, digitally reproduced string sections have always sounded like a digital sample of strings to me. Owning a sampler and using it gave me a clearer idea of what digitally reproduced sounds sound like.


Well,  the marketing's ploy is to exploit hipster's gullibility by having them buy a dozen of them a week, fill walls of their loft for decoration and speculation purposes, but will have never time to sit down and listen to a quarter of what they bought, simply because they haven't got the "physical time" (or interest) to do so.



I have never been a hipster (ask any of my friends).

What I did was buy a very fine vinyl player (a Pink Triangle Anniversary with an SME Series V arm and a Lyra Lydian cartridge) back in the mid 90s. The Lydian has been retired and an Ortofon Cadenza Blue has taken its place, but the sounds that emanate from it have never been matched by any CD player, no matter how expensive.

So I only use vinyl unless albums are unobtainable on LP. Why? Because on anything acoustic or analogue, vinyl splatters CDs.

I desperately want a pristine vinyl of Out of Myself and Hybris: they exist but are hard to get.
Also, I'd love it if Mostly Autumn released their stuff on LP.
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Hipsters in my opinion are a very contrived social group. Their whole thing is trying to be different from the mainstream and non comfomist and yet they are very much conforming to certain "rules." You probably won't see many on this site because prog isn't cool enough for them. 

Anyway, it seems like for a while hipsters were the only ones into vinyl but I seriously doubt that is still the case. 


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

... Their whole thing is trying to be different from the mainstream and non conformist and yet they are very much conforming to certain "rules." You probably won't see many on this site because prog isn't cool enough for them. 
...

Hi,

You probably mean ... they don't dress properly and their women are conventional fuddy mommas .... ???

To be fair, the "scene" was hip until it was invaded by middle class wearing flowers in their hair and butts! AND, the music was excellent and is the first example of "progressive music" with its many long cuts and experimental trips! 

If "prog" is not cool enough for someone ... GOOD RIDDANCE! Those folks are usually the ones sinking their lips into a lollipop and wearing Elvis T-shirts .... !!!
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Hipsters in my opinion are a very contrived social group. Their whole thing is trying to be different from the mainstream and non comfomist and yet they are very much conforming to certain "rules." You probably won't see many on this site because prog isn't cool enough for them. 

Anyway, it seems like for a while hipsters were the only ones into vinyl but I seriously doubt that is still the case. 


well, i'm not saying that my generation didn't try to dress up +/- cool during my high-school days*, but that was when we were teens under influences. These hipsters are adults, ranging from  25 to 40 and dress up like an army.

They came to be as form of reaction after the metrosexuals (you know, those would-be androgyn - the ones chasing any form of body hairs), but my guess is that they got interested  in vinyl after the resurgence started. Once they realized that vinyls existed and it wasn't CD (mom & dad's music - which is obligatory to loath) but the granpa and granma's vinyl form of music (which is ok with them).

I think most hipster are cultivating hairs (all types) to make sure the butch lesbians (who can't compete in that dept.) in order to get the chicks - probably because they were losing that battle .

BTW, I don't think hipster hate prog in particular or at all (it isn't in their bible), but it's clear that their love of vinyls helped tremendously those historical vinyl buffs - you know those who are still claiming (wrongly) that the CD killed the vinyl. Vinyl was "killed" by cassettes (portability issues with walkmans) and cassettes were killed by CDs - especially once discman became (out-of-) household items.






*: In later 70's in Canada, "cool" was dressing with long hair (parted in the middle) with torn jeans t-shirts and flanel lumberjack shirts (worn opened/unbuttoned as a jacket would) and those ankle-height Kodiak workboots (generally unlaced-up) or those swedish clogs (in summertime), with aviator style glasses (whether sun or corrective), +/- no matter what type of rock music was being listened to (except disco fags**)


** : we called them fags, but they were getting a sizeable amounts of chicks - at least those not dressing up like Village People.LOL



Edited by Sean Trane - December 26 2020 at 06:07
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Fingers crossed for this amazing album getting a vinyl release in 2021:



Another "looking forward to" for me is all three Shadowland albums



Collage's Moonshine got a vinyl issue last year and I managed to get one for myself - they're selling it for almost $300 now!

Also would like Fates Warning's Disconnected to be reissued, coz this one is a bit too expensive



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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

AFAIAA, even in the later 90's, most bands (or labels anyways) wanting to sell in the UK kept pressing vinyls, because that's where the format never died and had die-hard fans in big enough numbers to make a difference and being heard.

Sooo, I don't think there are too many good albums that do not have an historical vinyl release (often UK-only). Probably much less than there are good albums that have never received a CD release

I remember seeing Floyd's TDB, RATM's debut album, PJ's Vitalogy, GYBE! albums in vinyls

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I was too lazy to search Discogs by title to review release info but looks like that might be my best bet. I've been culling my CD collection and I keep wondering, 'Is this on LP?'

CD's have a very low resale value, so a CD only or limited release might have a better market price.

So that raises a second question...

Why don't CD's have a similar value as LP's, even more recent releases?

I'm guessing the following factors:
-Mass production (for the most part)
-Durability (things that can wear out quicker (LP's) are more valuable if kept safe)
-Hipness
I would say three things make LPs more expensive than CDs:
1) Clever music marketing people have made the LP cool again.
2) LPs probably cost more to produce.
3) A lot of people think LPs sound better. To my ears LPs sound better on a lot of music, but when it comes to modern digitally produced electronic music, CDs sound fine. To my ears, older acoustic music that was recorded on analog equipment sounds better on LP.
For instance, digitally reproduced string sections have always sounded like a digital sample of strings to me. Owning a sampler and using it gave me a clearer idea of what digitally reproduced sounds sound like.


Well,  the marketing's ploy is to exploit hipster's gullibility by having them buy a dozen of them a week, fill walls of their loft for decoration and speculation purposes, but will have never time to sit down and listen to a quarter of what they bought, simply because they haven't got the "physical time" (or interest) to do so.



I have never been a hipster (ask any of my friends).

What I did was buy a very fine vinyl player (a Pink Triangle Anniversary with an SME Series V arm and a Lyra Lydian cartridge) back in the mid 90s. The Lydian has been retired and an Ortofon Cadenza Blue has taken its place, but the sounds that emanate from it have never been matched by any CD player, no matter how expensive.

So I only use vinyl unless albums are unobtainable on LP. Why? Because on anything acoustic or analogue, vinyl splatters CDs.

I desperately want a pristine vinyl of Out of Myself and Hybris: they exist but are hard to get.
Also, I'd love it if Mostly Autumn released their stuff on LP.

What did u do with the Lydian?? I use a Delos now, been thinking of going to a Kleos, we'll see as the Delos does everything I like really well.

BTW, I too have been awaiting Out Of Myself, and last month it was reissued, I have a pre-order in with LasersEdge maybe there are some still available. There was a gold or yellow version available on Burning Shed I think, those are all gone...
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Originally posted by anoopanunya anoopanunya wrote:

not sure if anyone else has said this yet, but i think Rajaz by Camel is quite deserving. Released in 1999 and sounds just like how it would’ve in the 70’s (in a good way).

I'd just literally put the CD on when I read this and realised it's never been out on vinyl.
I'd die for a vinyl copy, as it's one of the best albums ever recorded.
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by anoopanunya anoopanunya wrote:

not sure if anyone else has said this yet, but i think Rajaz by Camel is quite deserving. Released in 1999 and sounds just like how it would’ve in the 70’s (in a good way).

I'd just literally put the CD on when I read this and realised it's never been out on vinyl.
I'd die for a vinyl copy, as it's one of the best albums ever recorded.

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I'm not sure that it is possible ... I think that CAMEL is run by small margins and their ability to do something extravagant (like making a LP) is likely not possible, or something the band does not feel is necessary as it would not change or improve their music in any way.

I personally find the whole thing ridiculous, and with that folks would spend some time hearing some of the Beatles and Stones that were "remixed" and "remastered" ... but the problem is ... you don't realize that they sound EXACTLY like the IMPORT of those albums. The best example of it is DARK SIDE OF THE MOON ... where you can make out all the background details clearly which were smothered and just about removed for the AMERICAN release ... and of course, 30 years later a "NEW" remix or remaster shows up and all it did was move that voice close to our ears, and move the bass 5 feet back, and ohh .... we can't have Nick on the front ... and literally destroy the beauty of the album ... and people went out and bought the damn thing without realizing they had been had.

Get the IMPORT copy of the albums ... you will be surprised at the difference, specially if you have a good stereo, when the whole thing comes alive ... not just "loud" because the guitar is up front right by your eyes and ears!

I wish more folks had seen this ... and realized what it was all about ... and the main reason why I do not care for SW is because all he does is "move around" the instruments some by making it look like they are in different spots in the room ... or should I say, your ears! Big fudging deal!
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Yuka & Chronoship - None of their albums are available on vinyl.

Ellesmere - Their new one, Wyrd, needs a vinyl release badly. Hell, it's also 40 minutes long...

Nemo - Coma is the only title available on vinyl.

Yes - Keystudio anyone? Crying out for a RSD release!!!

The Flower Kings - A large chunk of their discography is CD only.

Neal Morse - One, Question Mark, Sola Scriptura, Lifeline, T2 and Momentum all need a vinyl release.

Big Big Train - The Underfall Yard (although BBT are taking care of that for 2021.)

Karfagen - Again, none of his albums are on vinyl - which is a damn shame. Have you peeped that artwork?
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Yuka & Chronoship - None of their albums are available on vinyl.

Ellesmere - Their new one, Wyrd, needs a vinyl release badly. Hell, it's also 40 minutes long...

Nemo - Coma is the only title available on vinyl.

Yes - Keystudio anyone? Crying out for a RSD release!!!

The Flower Kings - A large chunk of their discography is CD only.

Neal Morse - One, Question Mark, Sola Scriptura, Lifeline, T2 and Momentum all need a vinyl release.

Big Big Train - The Underfall Yard (although BBT are taking care of that for 2021.)

Karfagen - Again, none of his albums are on vinyl - which is a damn shame. Have you peeped that artwork?

TFK...they are coming out slowly, I really would like A&E as well Sum Of No Evil, even Flower Power would be welcomed!
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I think pretty much anything that is not complete trash is prolly out on vinyl somewhere. LOL
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It depends on the size of the label and the band during what period. As someone said, most late 80's through 90's bands usually had cassette and disc only. There was no point and profit in printing Death HUMAN on vinyl, because that market isn't listening to death metal for the fidelity, I assure you. You can't hear sh*t in those mixes anyway, lol. Cassettes were extremely dominant into the mid and even late 90's for certain stuff, despite discs. Remember getting hip hop singles on cassette in 1997? I do. I also remember the CD versions feeling off limits due to costs.

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