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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2004 at 16:30

The interview was not detailed, but the implication was basically "yes".

The reporter was, in real time, using thought alone to change the tempo and mood of the piano music that the program was playing. I forget the name of the university's department, but it seemed that these guys are doing some interesting research.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2004 at 16:49

I had a quick look - and it seems these guys are heavily into the scientific angle - and then some! 

http://cmr.soc.plymouth.ac.uk/

"The Computer Music Research team is formed of scholars from different backgrounds and from different departments across the University, including musicians, media artists, engineers, neuroscientists and psychologists."

(my bold type!).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2004 at 16:59

Oh, yes, the reporter mentioned department of something, something and neuroscience.

I used to think that *true* AI was a load of hookum - I should point out that I used to be a software engineer, so I'm not saying that out of ignorance - but I'm not so sure anymore. There was a report in the papers a couple of days ago about a simple brain of 25,000 neural cells grown from rat cells learning to fly an F-22 flight simulator it was hooked up to:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12 /05/wbrain05.xml

I've always thought that sensory perception is an integral and essential part of intelligence, i.e. it would be impossible to build an intelligent machine without it having both sensory perception and manipulatory abilities.

OK, the 'brain' was only keeping the aircraft steady in level flight, but the way technology is advancing, perhaps in a few hundred years what seems impossible today will be possible. Just like what has happened in the past.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2004 at 18:25
Because music is good!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2004 at 21:07

What would music be like if composers could generate it directly out of their heads?

Would musicianship eventually disappear as no one would have to learn to play an instrument?

What if a device could read your mental state and spontaneously generate the perfect suitable accompaniment?

Will everyone be trading personally generated compositions rather than selecting from the available professional recording artists?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2004 at 21:15
I thought I'd have my turn at this, even though I'm pretty late.

Because music is everything your irises cannot perceive.
Ever think about the fact that for a blind person, everything becomes music?

I see it this way... music is an art, but it is also a generator of foreign feelings. During songs like Mood For A Day (Yes) and Horizon's (Genesis) there are certain emotions running through me that I cannot name, and I love that feeling. Music is the most powerful, most universal, most personal form of art that I know. It is an escape, another parallel reality. I don't know, when I listen to a song I particularly love the song takes me away completely, wraps me in the cascade.

It brings people together, it even brings a single person together into one emotion, one song, one silence.

I guess I love music because it is timeless.

My music timeline :
Britney + BSB --> NSYNC + O-Town --> Sum 41 + Simple Plan + Good Charlotte  --> Nirvana + Red Hot Chili Peppers --> Coldplay --> Pink Floyd + Genesis.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2004 at 21:28

Originally posted by selling_echoes selling_echoes wrote:

I thought I'd have my turn at this, even though I'm pretty late.

Because music is everything your irises cannot perceive.
Ever think about the fact that for a blind person, everything becomes music?

I see it this way... music is an art, but it is also a generator of foreign feelings. During songs like Mood For A Day (Yes) and Horizon's (Genesis) there are certain emotions running through me that I cannot name, and I love that feeling. Music is the most powerful, most universal, most personal form of art that I know. It is an escape, another parallel reality. I don't know, when I listen to a song I particularly love the song takes me away completely, wraps me in the cascade.

It brings people together, it even brings a single person together into one emotion, one song, one silence.

I guess I love music because it is timeless.

My music timeline :
Britney + BSB --> NSYNC + O-Town --> Sum 41 + Simple Plan + Good Charlotte  --> Nirvana + Red Hot Chili Peppers --> Coldplay --> Pink Floyd + Genesis.


Very well said. Looking forward to what comes after the next "-->"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 03:49
Originally posted by James Lee James Lee wrote:

What would music be like if composers could generate it directly out of their heads?

A real mess, I reckon - I don't know about you, but when I write music, I tend to have many, many ideas happening, sometimes simultaneously - then I go off on tangents, try different stuff, realise it didn't work, so try to go back to the original ideas, try the original ideas with different sounds and instruments, improv around these ideas, have more ideas, get writer's block... and all within a single jam session

Would musicianship eventually disappear as no one would have to learn to play an instrument?

I doubt it, as to compose using an instrumental technique, you need to understand the technique - simply imagining the sound isn't enough, IMO.

What if a device could read your mental state and spontaneously generate the perfect suitable accompaniment?

That was what my "AI" project was partly about - granted I had to feed the melody in manually, but the program "read" the notes, and harmonised it using rules that I gave it. It also presented options, where the rules of harmony could be interpreted in ways that might be considered "better". I think Brian Eno was working on a similar project.

Will everyone be trading personally generated compositions rather than selecting from the available professional recording artists?

Instead? I wouldn't think so!

New ways of creating music have got to be good - but there is also a lot to be said for tradition 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 04:46

why do I like music so much?Because I can actually penetrate into it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 06:42
Originally posted by zappa123 zappa123 wrote:

why do I like music so much?Because I can actually penetrate into it.

Funnily enough that's why I love female Prog fans.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 06:43
Sheep 

Bilden “http://www.jokeornot.com/gallery/sheep_shagging.jpg” kan inte visas, då den innehåller fel.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 13:10
What the f***?!
Just take a pebble, and cast it to the sea....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 13:15

Originally posted by Proghead Proghead wrote:

Sheep 

Bilden “http://www.jokeornot.com/gallery/sheep_shagging.jpg” kan inte visas, då den innehåller fel.

Nah, it's Cert who likes the sheep.Dig up his postConfused




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 13:19
Was that from a South African newspaper or what????
Someone pleeez lemme know..
Just take a pebble, and cast it to the sea....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 13:22
No I just found it on the web.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 13:24
Was that "Upington" I read... Probably not, hey?
Just take a pebble, and cast it to the sea....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 13:25
Looks like Arbingdom.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 13:42
Yeah, and "Uffington" upon closer inspection of the pic.

Ah, music.....

"Without music, or an intriguing idea
colour becomes pallor,
man becomes carcass,
home becomes catacomb
and the dead, are but for a moment, motionless."

That just about sums it up for me.  One just CAN NOT do without music!!!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 14:18
Uffington it is  These UK guys 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2004 at 14:21
Would hate for them to come to SA and have the locals teach them a thing or two about sheep..... Things could probably get verrrry nasty.... 
Just take a pebble, and cast it to the sea....

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