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The T
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 13:26 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
Figures that this degenerates into prog-bashing, anti prog-bashing bashing, and unrelated arguments... |
Because people who appear to be confused come here to attack prog... I'm sure there's an "Anti-Prog forum" somewhere on the web that can suit those needs...
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 13:35 |
great, you pushed this on to a third page with comments totally unrelated to the thread's heading.
to recap: POST-PUNK ELECTRONICA RAP INDIE NO WHINING
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 15:46 |
The T wrote:
Avantgardehead wrote:
Figures that this degenerates into prog-bashing, anti prog-bashing bashing, and unrelated arguments... |
Because people who appear to be confused come here to attack prog... I'm sure there's an "Anti-Prog forum" somewhere on the web that can suit those needs... |
Interesting, I might have to start going there!
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popeyethecat
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 17:42 |
I think you could open it up some more. It frustrates me when people
say they don't like Classical music or World music. C'mon now, that's
hundreds of years of music from ALL over the world. There must be
SOMETHING, surely? Le Trio Joubran, anyone? Le Mystere des voix
Bulgares? Might be a bit of a long shot with those particular people, I
dunno. I recommend both, though ;)
Looking back to your original post...I had a friend at my old school who was a fan or rap, but good rap. Some of it was actually fairly intricate and not just the stereotypical rapping over a sample and a beat. It seemed to me that this was what the genre had turned into lately, but I was thankfully wrong!
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 18:24 |
World music is amazing. If I had more of it, I'd probably listen to it almost as much as prog, but my supply is lacking at best sadly.
And Animal Collective is still amazing.
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 19:38 |
Neil Young (& Crazy Horse) Flaming Lips Pavement Incubus Faith No More Phish Robert Plant Led Zep Iron Maiden Aphex Twin RHCP Smashing Pumpkins Echo and The Bunnymen U2 Chameleons UK Beatles George Harrison Richard Thompson The Boss
Basically select folk rock, post punk, classic rock, power metal, psychedelic rock, Celtic, 80s metal (hair, etc), electronica, ambient, etc.
I love so freakin' many bands in PA, who vary in sound a lot, but other genres are iffy. I'm picky.
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 19:59 |
Lets see which are the non Prog bands I really like:
- Meat Loaf
- Cranberries
- Fleetwood Mac (Buckingham and Nicks)
- Journey
- REM
- U2 (Early)
- OMD
- Bob Geldoff and the Boomtown Rats
- Jackson Browne
- George Harrison
- The Mamas & The Papas
- Blind Melon
- Neil Young
- Crosby Stills Nash & Young
- Eagles
- Grand Funk Railroad
- Bachman Turner Overdrive
- Bob Dylan
- The Travelling Wilburys
- Cat Stevens
I could follow for long, the only two genres you would never find are Rap and Disco.
Iván
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Posted: April 06 2008 at 20:20 |
I do have a weakness for the great songwriters; Joni Mitchell, Cat Stevens, CS&N, Stevie Nicks, Lennon/McCartney/Harrison ..it is a unique skill and I agree that it's just as demanding to write a great 'pop' song as to write something more complex
...you do what you do
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Posted: April 07 2008 at 12:53 |
I think I've tended to avoid things described as 'prog' mostly, because I'm very wary of pretension/pomp... but often, don't you find that the stuff that you have assumed to be achingly pretentious and unlistenably complex turns out to be so much more sincere and interesting than its reputation suggests? Assumptions about music... double-plus ungood, methinks.  It would be great in some ways to ditch the P-word, because often it's used in a derogatory way, but what else could we call it?! But anyway... NON-PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! Stay on topic, yes?  Some of the things I like... (and I think all of these might appeal to people who like 'progressive music'...) Sparks (Those lyrics! Priceless! Their music is so intelligent and so catchy! If Noel Coward started a glam pop band...) Snakefinger (I need to hear more of him! He's a little uncategorisable, and of course ineffably barmy! In some ways it's almost like a PARODY of prog... RIP.) The Stooges ('Fun House' is just unendingly brilliant. Blistering rock music with just the merest sniff of - dare I say - avant-jazz...) The Ramones (Tired of all things epic? Refresh yourself with the musical equivalent of toilet wall graffiti... in a GOOD WAY I mean!!) Judee Sill (Poetic lyrics, metaphysical subject matter, ravishing orchestrations... and your girlfriend will like it!) Eclectic Alabama, that's me...
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Posted: April 08 2008 at 05:21 |
song_of_copper wrote:
It would be great in some ways to ditch the P-word, because often it's used in a derogatory way, but what else could we call it?!
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Art rock. I'm going to start using that because 1) I like the ring of it, 2) it is an authentic period term used to describe ol' prog rock, and 3) it sums-up everything about the movement in two definitive words. I'm getting pretty sick of the term "prog" these days as well, especially with how it's been thrown around and has little meaning in our modern day. But back to the topic of open-mindedness, I find myself loving Gypsy music recently. Stuff like Estradasphere, DeVotchKa, and Gogol Bordello. I've always enjoyed ethnic music like that, especially Italian folk.
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 12:42 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
But back to the topic of open-mindedness, I find myself loving Gypsy music recently. Stuff like Estradasphere, DeVotchKa, and Gogol Bordello. I've always enjoyed ethnic music like that, especially Italian folk.
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There's a Gypsy band I kind of know called Paprika Balkanicus (I've met them while they've been busking in Covent Garden and also performing at a Gypsy festival). Try them out on MySpace, they're pure Gypsy folk. Their violinist also plays in a Classical violin quartet, but I'm not sure what they're called.
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 13:18 |
I listen to lots of non-prog music as well as prog, it's all good! Some of the non-prog bands I like: Del The Funky Homosapien, Aphex Twin, The Cranberries, Dolores O'Riordan, Blackalicious, Poison The Well, Sparta, Orphanage, Dimmu Borgir, Killswitch Engage etc. etc.
Lots of different genres and bands to explore...I love music, period! Oh, and it's good not to take oneself too serious musically, I think...Ramones are great fun, you don't listen to them for musical "complexity"...
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 15:45 |
dimu borgir!!!
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 21:25 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
song_of_copper wrote:
It would be great in some ways to ditch the P-word, because often it's used in a derogatory way, but what else could we call it?! | Art rock. I'm going to start using that because 1) I like the ring of it, 2) it is an authentic period term used to describe ol' prog rock, and 3) it sums-up everything about the movement in two definitive words.I'm getting pretty sick of the term "prog" these days as well, especially with how it's been thrown around and has little meaning in our modern day.But back to the topic of open-mindedness, I find myself loving Gypsy music recently. Stuff like Estradasphere, DeVotchKa, and Gogol Bordello. I've always enjoyed ethnic music like that, especially Italian folk. |
I agree "Art Rock" is more indicative to how people want to use the term "Prog" as the thought or spirit behind the creation of the music. People who want to make art, while "Prog" could be a sub-genre with a certain codified sound.
Oh yea, listen to Chris Gaines (aka Garth Brooks) it is good stuff! It is the ultimate concept album, even went so far as to alter billboard charts from the 90's to play into the concept of the album.
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 23:32 |
inpraiseoffolly wrote:
punk/hardcore punk
emo (the real stuff, like Rites of Spring and At The Drive-In)
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I don't think any seemed to comment on that, I can understand Rites Of Spring as being tagged emo, but that is the first time I've even seen At The Drive-In labelled as emo. All the big ATDI fans will tell you they are a Post-Hardcore band, which seemed obvious to me anyway when I listened them. They sounded much like a more progressive type hardocore band, I never saw the emo connection at all with ATDI. If you listen to Relationship Of Command, which is one of my favorite albums in the punk genre (Which is saying something, because I'm not a big punk fan) the band had clearly gone well past straight up hardcore into something more complex and progressive.
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Posted: April 11 2008 at 23:42 |
I like a lot of non-prog music, given before I was into prog that was what I listened to anyone.
I like Rage Against The Machine, Refused, Alice In Chains, Jeff Buckley, Darkest Hour, Faith No More and Nevemore are just some of the non-prog music I like.
Go to the Best guitarist-Technique and speed... thread and you will see I love many instrumental guitarists, many of whom aren't necessarily prog either.
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Posted: April 12 2008 at 11:18 |
The T wrote:
Avantgardehead wrote:
Figures that this degenerates into prog-bashing, anti prog-bashing bashing, and unrelated arguments... |
Because people who appear to be confused come here to attack prog... I'm sure there's an "Anti-Prog forum" somewhere on the web that can suit those needs... |
You know T, sometimes that is PA. "This prog isn't prog because prog is ..." ; "Prog hasn't been made since 197? ..."; " what so prog about genre x or y ... "; " i like some prog, but some prog is simply just noise ... ";    Now there is an objective case that I have unsuccessfully tried to make about krautrock. But then, some people who think they know more than me ( and wouldn't you know it, that is just not a rare happening here that many actually do) come up with arguements that I cannot refute. So i save my best shots for boosting Ange & Klaatu to the top shelf of prog acts.
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Posted: April 12 2008 at 11:21 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
Prog-rock is quickly falling out of my top genre list since I can't find anything I like outside of the big names from the 70's (Genesis, Pink Floyd, Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, etc.).
Indie rock is my favorite genre of all-time, followed by post-rock, shoegaze and black metal. Outside of those I also like New Age, post-metal, doom metal, funeral doom metal, avant-garde, classical, jazz fusion, emo (Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, The Appleseed Cast, etc.), and some pop.
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You'd be surprised how much indie music shares commonalities with prog. The prog metal sub genres likely include some of the genres you mention.
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Posted: April 12 2008 at 18:54 |
debrewguy wrote:
You'd be surprised how much indie music shares commonalities with prog. The prog metal sub genres likely include some of the genres you mention. |
Oh I know, that's part of what drew me to the genre in the first place. And finding progressive metal that has absolutely nothing in common with Dream Theater is something I look for everyday.
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Posted: April 13 2008 at 11:16 |
Ivan likes BTO ??? Way to Go , Ivan !
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