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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2008 at 23:42
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Well... Magma for me (the only album I've heard and reviewed, Kohntaktorzs or something) was like a "this is great and very interesting and intellectual but I'm just listening to it because I have to listen to every kind of music" kind of experience. Can't deny the talent and the creativity and anything, but after more than a few listens of the whole thing, I just decided: "Magma.. we have to talk. It's not you, it's me"
 
Funny how the worst post ever (well, one of them) can lead to interesting discussion. The first post should be deleted, changed to "i don't like Magma. Comment" and everything would be fine.
 
But of course, nothing beats a good troll-hunting...Tongue


Feel the same way T.

I watched some of their videos on Youtube and just said; "Well, I can appreciate this, but it's just not my cup of tea."



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 24 2008 at 23:49
Many find Udu Wudu and Live/ Hhai to be pretty accessible.  I really don't think that Kohntarkosz was the best place to start.  MDK is my favourite of the studio albums, but Live/ Hhai is generally a good place to start (but it depends on each person's musical tastes and background).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 00:24
The debut is almost symphonic and VdGG/Genesis like in a few places, so that's the most accessible.

Of course, Magma deliberately made the Univeria Zekt album for the purpose of trying to win people over.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 00:28
Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

First time I heard Magma I liked them.  Then all the other times I did as well.  Its pretty cool that way.
 
Wow! Your are surely a unique specimen. Wink Every single Magma fan that I had met  told me that the first time was more awkward than losing their virginity (Talk about sucking Confused). I remember hearing Kohntarkosz (one of my top 50 albums all-time) totally perplexed, in fact laughing at the sheer insanity of it all. But the second run through was a mindblast , deep into the night , candles alight and very loud . It was a revelation! That was in1975 ... I can only imagine the SHOCK of some neophyte seeing them live front row center! Life altering experience. (Just Top or Paga alone is worth the trauma)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 00:42
I also had an easy time enjoying them.

The first album I heard was Retrospektiw I-II.  Theusz Hamtaahk blew me completely away!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 00:54
Originally posted by James James wrote:

The debut is almost symphonic and VdGG/Genesis like in a few places, so that's the most accessible.


Unless one dislikes VdGG, Genesis, and symph. Wink  Hey, some "prog" fans do.  Can't recall any VdGG haters who are into Magma, actually.

Quote Of course, Magma deliberately made the Univeria Zekt album for the purpose of trying to win people over.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 01:45
The first time I heard Magma, it was on a bootleg that featured MDK and Sowloi.  I remember that my reaction was that I was intrigued but hardly blown away.   But I did get the real MDK and tried out 1001 Centigrades, and that hooked me.
 
But I never really understood the people who claim that they had a difficult time getting into Magma.  I personally didn't hear anything that turned me off in my early listens (well, maybe that spiritual song on Attahk.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 03:29
Thnaks for bringing the thread round to a constructive discussion guys.
 
Alanerc, please respect the views of others, and show respect for the band themselves. Fair enough if you do not like them, as this thread has established Magma can be difficult to like. Perhaps you could explain, in a constructive way, what it is you do not like about them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 09:06
Originally posted by James James wrote:

I also had an easy time enjoying them.


Yep, me too.  MDK, first coupla bars, instant love. Embarrassed Heart

Originally posted by James James wrote:

The first album I heard was Retrospektiw I-II.  Theusz Hamtaahk blew me completely away!


I'm not very well placed to offer 'first Magma' suggestions (given that I'm totally biased, and don't know what it feels like to be put off by hearing them!) but my pick would indeed probably be 'Retrospektiw I-II'.  It's less claustrophobic-sounding than some of the studio stuff and shows off a couple of their best compositions, in an atmospheric live setting.  I'm trying to write a review of it at the moment, so I'll say no more about that for now!

It's quite funny how some people react with sheer outrage simply from hearing some music they don't like very much.  Almost as if the musicians have personally insulted the disgruntled listener's mother. LOL

All I can say about my first impressions is that... before I heard Magma, I assumed they'd be horrible, pompous and unlistenable, and it might just be the fact that they weren't that made such a strong impression on me!  I thought it was going to be undisciplined, self-indulgent pap, but instead I heard unity and sincerity.  I thought the mythology and made up lingo would be silly and annoying, but instead of meaningless 'mouth noises' I heard actual emotion being expressed.

But the original poster probably isn't interested in all that, so I'll shut up. Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 09:48
I've been listening to the debut recently.  What I've heard I somewhat enjoyed, but it didn't really make me want to go and grab every album they've ever made.  What's odd is that there don't appear to be many "casual" fans of this band- seems like it's mostly lovers and haters.  I think I like the album enough to get more (and it's easy for me to do so, as a good portion of their catalog is available on emusic), but I'm not sure if they'll ever be among my favorite artists.  Only time will tell.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 09:58
^whether or not the OP cares, it's a good post. o:)

I got hooked by listening to K.A. (since it was more easily available than any of the '70s albums) and it only took one attempt. going back through their work I found 1001 Degrees, Kohntarkosz and the debut significantly harder to enjoy but now those are my favourite three recordings by them. I'm fairly sure they've helped me to enjoy jazz as prior to discovering their music I avoided all of its forms - now I'm just extremely wary of the genre, which is an improvement. =P

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Is Merci that bad is it?


*giggles at how insistent the question sounds*

debut: five stars
retros un et deux: five stars
theusz hamtaahk: fiiiiiive stars
merci: fail

I reviewed Merci and decided it wasn't worth being nice, but a lot of the actually-good reviewers here gave it a more carefully considered three so maybe you'd like it *a little*. Even so, it's not worth trying until you've heard everything else by the band, because this sort of fixation makes you not much better than a Collins-era Genesis still-goodite. o:)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 11:20
I haven't ever even finished the first listen to Merci I started.  It's just not worth it when they have three studio masterpieces (MDK, Kohntarkosz, KA) and the greatest live album ever (Live/Hhai).
 
Also, Magma>OP
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 11:27
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

^whether or not the OP cares, it's a good post. o:)


D'you mean mine?  Ooh, if so, thank you. Smile

Just posted my 'Retrospektiw I-II' review... which is definitely overlong and quite possibly overly ecstatic, but never mind!  All these opinions must have their outlet! LOL

[And I honestly promise to review something other than Magma next.  Although it might well be something else Zeuhlish...]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 11:50
Originally posted by alanerc alanerc wrote:

So, I listened to Magma
And you all call'em geniuses?

they suck
 
I think there is a universal law (including Kobaia of course) you should be aware of ,strictly enforced here on PA that forbids anyone to criticize negatively MAGMA.
You should pay respect with devotion to the grand master VANDER and not provoke anger from him and his faithfull followers, including myself.
Severe ultimate punishments are in order for those who do so and no mercy will be granted to you in the future!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 14:09
I find Magma's world, concept, mythology more interesting than almost any imaginative worlds(Shakespeare has a great writing here on the subject, in the blog section).
Their music also more than just unusual.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 14:23
I liked this band for about a week. Not much going on that would really hold my attention or provide an enjoyable listening experience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 14:26
Originally posted by <font size=5>Avantgardehead</font> Avantgardehead wrote:

I liked this band for about a week. Not much going on that would really hold my attention or provide an enjoyable listening experience.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 15:49
Lots of responses from members of Uniweria Zekt, acolytes of Kreuhn Korhman and followers of Nebehr Gudahtt, all measured and reasonable in the face of quite gratuitous negativity. It's hardly news that some people dislike Magma with big sticks (the present Mrs Syzygy for one...) but if you made that kind of post about just about any other band it would lead to the start of a flame war and the thread would be closed down almost immediately.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 15:52
^^^^ I know if I wrote what that OP wrote, people would be friggin taking out contracts on me.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2008 at 16:22
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

because this sort of fixation makes you not much better than a Collins-era Genesis still-goodite. o:)
 
of course, Magma pales in comparison to the great Spandau Ballet.
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