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Drew
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2005 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 12600 |
Posted: April 24 2008 at 23:42 | |
Feel the same way T. I watched some of their videos on Youtube and just said; "Well, I can appreciate this, but it's just not my cup of tea." |
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35400 |
Posted: April 24 2008 at 23:49 | |
Many find Udu Wudu and Live/ Hhai to be pretty accessible. I really don't think that Kohntarkosz was the best place to start. MDK is my favourite of the studio albums, but Live/ Hhai is generally a good place to start (but it depends on each person's musical tastes and background).
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Two tracks per many of my fave acts: A Youtube Playlist
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 00:24 | |
The debut is almost symphonic and VdGG/Genesis like in a few places, so that's the most accessible.
Of course, Magma deliberately made the Univeria Zekt album for the purpose of trying to win people over. |
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tszirmay
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 00:28 | |
Wow! Your are surely a unique specimen. Every single Magma fan that I had met told me that the first time was more awkward than losing their virginity (Talk about sucking ). I remember hearing Kohntarkosz (one of my top 50 albums all-time) totally perplexed, in fact laughing at the sheer insanity of it all. But the second run through was a mindblast , deep into the night , candles alight and very loud . It was a revelation! That was in1975 ... I can only imagine the SHOCK of some neophyte seeing them live front row center! Life altering experience. (Just Top or Paga alone is worth the trauma)
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 00:42 | |
I also had an easy time enjoying them.
The first album I heard was Retrospektiw I-II. Theusz Hamtaahk blew me completely away! |
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 35400 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 00:54 | |
Unless one dislikes VdGG, Genesis, and symph. Hey, some "prog" fans do. Can't recall any VdGG haters who are into Magma, actually.
True. |
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Two tracks per many of my fave acts: A Youtube Playlist
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ghost_of_morphy
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 01:45 | |
The first time I heard Magma, it was on a bootleg that featured MDK and Sowloi. I remember that my reaction was that I was intrigued but hardly blown away. But I did get the real MDK and tried out 1001 Centigrades, and that hooked me.
But I never really understood the people who claim that they had a difficult time getting into Magma. I personally didn't hear anything that turned me off in my early listens (well, maybe that spiritual song on Attahk.)
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Easy Livin
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 03:29 | |
Thnaks for bringing the thread round to a constructive discussion guys.
Alanerc, please respect the views of others, and show respect for the band themselves. Fair enough if you do not like them, as this thread has established Magma can be difficult to like. Perhaps you could explain, in a constructive way, what it is you do not like about them.
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song_of_copper
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 20 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1065 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 09:06 | |
Yep, me too. MDK, first coupla bars, instant love.
I'm not very well placed to offer 'first Magma' suggestions (given that I'm totally biased, and don't know what it feels like to be put off by hearing them!) but my pick would indeed probably be 'Retrospektiw I-II'. It's less claustrophobic-sounding than some of the studio stuff and shows off a couple of their best compositions, in an atmospheric live setting. I'm trying to write a review of it at the moment, so I'll say no more about that for now! It's quite funny how some people react with sheer outrage simply from hearing some music they don't like very much. Almost as if the musicians have personally insulted the disgruntled listener's mother. All I can say about my first impressions is that... before I heard Magma, I assumed they'd be horrible, pompous and unlistenable, and it might just be the fact that they weren't that made such a strong impression on me! I thought it was going to be undisciplined, self-indulgent pap, but instead I heard unity and sincerity. I thought the mythology and made up lingo would be silly and annoying, but instead of meaningless 'mouth noises' I heard actual emotion being expressed. But the original poster probably isn't interested in all that, so I'll shut up. Chacun à son goût! |
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Padraic
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 09:48 | |
I've been listening to the debut recently. What I've heard I somewhat enjoyed, but it didn't really make me want to go and grab every album they've ever made. What's odd is that there don't appear to be many "casual" fans of this band- seems like it's mostly lovers and haters. I think I like the album enough to get more (and it's easy for me to do so, as a good portion of their catalog is available on emusic), but I'm not sure if they'll ever be among my favorite artists. Only time will tell.
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laplace
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 09:58 | |
^whether or not the OP cares, it's a good post. o:)
I got hooked by listening to K.A. (since it was more easily available than any of the '70s albums) and it only took one attempt. going back through their work I found 1001 Degrees, Kohntarkosz and the debut significantly harder to enjoy but now those are my favourite three recordings by them. I'm fairly sure they've helped me to enjoy jazz as prior to discovering their music I avoided all of its forms - now I'm just extremely wary of the genre, which is an improvement. =P
*giggles at how insistent the question sounds* debut: five stars retros un et deux: five stars theusz hamtaahk: fiiiiiive stars merci: fail I reviewed Merci and decided it wasn't worth being nice, but a lot of the actually-good reviewers here gave it a more carefully considered three so maybe you'd like it *a little*. Even so, it's not worth trying until you've heard everything else by the band, because this sort of fixation makes you not much better than a Collins-era Genesis still-goodite. o:) |
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 11:20 | |
I haven't ever even finished the first listen to Merci I started. It's just not worth it when they have three studio masterpieces (MDK, Kohntarkosz, KA) and the greatest live album ever (Live/Hhai).
Also, Magma>OP
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song_of_copper
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 20 2008 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1065 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 11:27 | |
D'you mean mine? Ooh, if so, thank you. Just posted my 'Retrospektiw I-II' review... which is definitely overlong and quite possibly overly ecstatic, but never mind! All these opinions must have their outlet! [And I honestly promise to review something other than Magma next. Although it might well be something else Zeuhlish...] |
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febus
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: January 23 2007 Location: Orlando-Usa Status: Offline Points: 4312 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 11:50 | |
I think there is a universal law (including Kobaia of course) you should be aware of ,strictly enforced here on PA that forbids anyone to criticize negatively MAGMA.
You should pay respect with devotion to the grand master VANDER and not provoke anger from him and his faithfull followers, including myself.
Severe ultimate punishments are in order for those who do so and no mercy will be granted to you in the future!
You have opened for yourself the gates of Hell. Be ready to suffer!
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Norbert
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 20 2005 Location: Hungary Status: Offline Points: 2506 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 14:09 | |
I find Magma's world, concept, mythology more interesting than almost any imaginative worlds(Shakespeare has a great writing here on the subject, in the blog section).
Their music also more than just unusual.
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Avantgardehead
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2006 Location: Dublin, OH, USA Status: Offline Points: 1170 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 14:23 | |
I liked this band for about a week. Not much going on that would really hold my attention or provide an enjoyable listening experience.
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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laplace
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 14:26 | |
lol |
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Syzygy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 15:49 | |
Lots of responses from members of Uniweria Zekt, acolytes of Kreuhn Korhman and followers of Nebehr Gudahtt, all measured and reasonable in the face of quite gratuitous negativity. It's hardly news that some people dislike Magma with big sticks (the present Mrs Syzygy for one...) but if you made that kind of post about just about any other band it would lead to the start of a flame war and the thread would be closed down almost immediately.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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Squonkman
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 08 2008 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 15:52 | |
^^^^ I know if I wrote what that OP wrote, people would be friggin taking out contracts on me.
Edited by Squonkman - April 25 2008 at 16:20 |
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Squonkman
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 08 2008 Status: Offline Points: 0 |
Posted: April 25 2008 at 16:22 | |
of course, Magma pales in comparison to the great Spandau Ballet.
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