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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:50
Camel - Snow Goose is listenable
Gentle Giant - Octopus is rather clever but a little to
start and stop for me, Free Hand has its
moments as do others to a lesser degree
Renaissance - Turn of the Cards and the album
before and after have their moments
VDDG - guess Pawn Hearts and Still Life are as
good as it gets but cant handle being Hammillized,
Arthur Brown carried the flag much better for the
british psycho/prog thing! Pete's to Syd for my taste!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 12:17
Camel: Rain dances
Gentle Giant: Octopus, probably (just followed by Acquiring the taste and In a glass house)
VDGG: Pawn hearts
Renaissance: really I don't know them

And for the second part: GENTLE GIANT
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 13:15
everything from VDGG, everything from CAMEL, octopus-acquiring the taste-the power and the glory -in a glass house from gentle giant and everything from hammill except noise (i hate that album)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 14:48

Camel - Moonmadness
Renaissance - Sherezade
Van Der Graaf Generator - H to He
Gentle Giant - Octopus

 

Best album from this list: Sheherezade and other stories

Best band Camel

 

(obviously i go for melodic over complicated)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 14:49
Oh geez, I haven't heard any of these bands yet.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 14:59
Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

Oh geez, I haven't heard any of these bands yet.  


If you like Mr Bungle (which I'm guessing you do) then Gentle Giant are a must. You'd dig 'em.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 15:02
Gentle Giant is similar to Bungle?  Nice... where should I start with Gentle Giant?  Check out my Welcome Newbies topic to see my likes if you want.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 15:04
Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

Gentle Giant is similar to Bungle?  Nice... where should I start with Gentle Giant?  Check out my Welcome Newbies topic to see my likes if you want.


I wouldn't say they're similar to Bungle, but they're one of the most important bands in the "complex" side of prog, which Mr Bungle also come under. It's a case of getting to know your roots, I suppose. Do some reading up on them!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 15:09
Aye.  I will read up on them here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 15:19

I think it would be about time some band would starting covering those Gentle Giant songs.
Really great songs, but those voices really are .... How do I put that nicely without offending anyone.

Did you know Matthew Bellamy from Muse stated he is influenced by Gentle Giant?

Rennaissance is great. Old & mysterious and very good piano playing from John Tout.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 16:10

Camel - Moon Madness

Renessaince - Turn of the Cards

Gentle Giant - Octopus

VDGG - Pawn Hearts

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 16:55
Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Those of you who don't like VDGG/Hammill: What don't you like about Hammill?


i'm a pretty big VdGG fan, H to the He and Still Life are 2 of my top albums, but his voice at times can just annoy the crap out of me.  Sing Dammit!  Stop reciting the damn lyrics.  For example, when he actually sings on Refugees and Pilgrims, its amazing.  But some songs, it sounds like he is just talking in that sneer , I hate it!

Another thing, the music he writes is good, but not very varied (as far as VdGG goes).  It kinda sounds the same a lot.  He's much more of a lyricist than a composer.

But having said that, VdGG is still one of the best prog bands ever.  Gotta love the sax and organ.

(Just my two cents)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 17:44
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Camel & Rennaisance are my joint faves from this
lot.


I love John Touts piano playing. The intro to 'At the Harbour' is fantastic,
and apparently is a variation on a Debussey piece. Can anyone confirm?




Yep, it comes from a piece by Claude Debussy, indeed: "La cathédrale
engloutie" ("The sunken/submerged cathedral"?), from the 1st book of
Préludes.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 19:20
Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:

Camel - The Snow Goose (by a tiny margin from Mirage, Moonmadness and Nude)

Gentle Giant - Free Hand

Renaiisance - Live at Carnegie Hall

VDGG - nothing at all. Peter Hamill destroys everything for me

 

Camel soft and simple? My arse!! Complex and melodic; packed with emotion. One of the best bands of all time along with Runrig, Wishbone Ash and Horslips. And Renaissance are too sophisticated for some but also a top class band.

 

Trouserpress, I don't normally denigrate other contributors but you are talking utter bollocks IMO. If you don't like Camel, leave them to those of us who do.

Fave albums VDGG; Still life

Camel; Moonmadness

Renaissance; Turn of the Cards or scheherrezade

GG; I really haven't heard too much

That is possibly the most idiotic statement I have ever read on this site.(ref Hammill)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 20:06

Camel - Mirage (easy choice....I dig their early stuff)

Gentle Giant - Three Friends (though Aquiring the Taste and Octopus run close behind)

Van der Gaff - Pawn Hearts

Renaissance - Live at Carnegie Hall (mainly 'cause the highlights of the early LPs are included)

Can't choose a "best" of "fave"......but I put Renaissance and Gentle Giant on the the turntable most....Van der Gaff least.

I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 23:39
I'm so annoyed, we had Three Friends and Scheherazade in the house before I became a true progger, and now they are gone.  Eh, oh well, I'll get 'em again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2005 at 17:57

Camel - Mirage

GG - Octopus

Renaissance - don't really listen to them but I liked parts of Scherehadze (sp?)

VDGG - Godbluff

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2005 at 18:39

Camel: actually I like all of the very early albums (let's say up to Moon Madness, but Mirage & Snow Goose being the best ones probably IMO)

Gentle Giant: they have many excellent albums, my favorites are Freehand & In A Glass House (other very good ones: Octopus,Power And The Glory,Three Friends & Same)

VDGG: they have many excellent ones as well, but I can't listen to them at any moment (same to GG). I'd say my favorite is Still Life, but very good as well: H to He, The Least We Can Do....,Pawn Hearts,Aerosol Grey Machine!

Renaissance: well I listen very rarely to them (like to all the other ones, just because I'm discovering too many unknown obscure bands I have to listen to first!), but I used to like very much their first one, Illusion and Shehezarade.

Hope this is of any help for you, but of course, everyone has his own taste, so finally you have to find out on your own which ones you prefer. I usually just get the full collection of a band I'm interested in for this reason (not in original of course, I am not Bill Gates!LOL).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2005 at 19:03
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Those of you who don't like VDGG/Hammill: What don't you like about Hammill?


i'm a pretty big VdGG fan, H to the He and Still Life are 2 of my top albums, but his voice at times can just annoy the crap out of me.  Sing Dammit!  Stop reciting the damn lyrics.  For example, when he actually sings on Refugees and Pilgrims, its amazing.  But some songs, it sounds like he is just talking in that sneer , I hate it!

Another thing, the music he writes is good, but not very varied (as far as VdGG goes).  It kinda sounds the same a lot.  He's much more of a lyricist than a composer.

But having said that, VdGG is still one of the best prog bands ever.  Gotta love the sax and organ.

(Just my two cents)


You seem to miss the point of his singing. PH is one of the very few singers you can get a hint of what he is singing about without understanding a single word of English. It is reflected in the way he uses his voice as well as in the compositions.
As for PH not being varied: You must be joking. Even the VdGG albums vary a lot in style. Of course VdGG being a band he composes for the band members when he writes songs there, so at least the arrangements for the songs are limited in a way. But PHs compositions cover a wide range of territory. And of course he has a certain style of composing, but one must not confuse "style" with "limitation". It is certainly not a "limitation" of Ravel that he doesn't sound like Richard Strauss, for example.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2005 at 21:04

Renaissance - Live At Carnegie Hall

Camel - Moonmadness

I'm just now getting into VDGG and Gentle Giant so I will refrain from commenting until I have heard the core group of albums by each. 

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