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Yes I agree but couldnt believe Lee doesnt sing in the shower! 

interesting as he hates Tai Shan - I guess it was not a shining moment on HYF but i can think of worse 

 

I don't think I hate it........Its a song on an album, that I don't skip over. But I don't need to listen to it.......For Geddy to say he hated it enough that we will never hear it live......I guess he hates it.

 

And it seems its that "other guy's" fault on the song.

 I liked it when Rush rarely gave interviews and were all quiet and mysterious about the inner workings of thier musical lives. To paraphrase a song from Victor... Neil, shutup and play the drums. I do appreciate that people like hearing thier favorite artists thoughts on thier art though. I'm sure the insights are interesting.

 

 

 Welcome to the fray SouNdSGrEaT.  I always like to see more Rush fans here :)

Felt like saying that after listen to Permanent Waves for my (recorded) 50th time. 

Did you see the intro video to the Time Machine Tour? You may have seen some polka Rush-style 

 

Yea...my 13 yr old still is pissed he did not get a Rash shirt at last years show......He likes that type of humor.

sorry to rant.  i just think the buzz on this is getting ridiculous.  the buzz when hemispheres was about to be released was..."pick it up at Tape City next week."  ah, the good old days when music was an art form and treated as such...not a product to be marketed and hyped.  (of course this did go in then too, but not for the good stuff...that stuff stood on its own)."

My dear Horizons, if this forum is for simple insults and recriminations, please ignore all this.  For the sake of
a semi-intelligent dialog however, I take issue with your needless insult to Zumacraig.  (Don't worry, my panties are not all in a bunch - I am not angry), just confounded by your lack of logic & the sophomoric nature of your reply.

You write: "All the grasping at nostalgia this forum has is rediculous."   Well actually Zumacraig said quite a bit in his post and he made his case providing justification and much factual information.  It is not about being 1978 at all.
Fact is, RUSH made their greatest music in the mid to late 70's.

For a RUSH fan like Zuma or myself or anybody else to want a return to form for RUSH a la Hemisphers or 2112 or Moving Pictures is quite natural and is what a die hard fan does.  It is not "grasping at nostalgia".  It is wanting some really good music.

Your grasping at nostalgia remark you allude to 1978, puts into play something that could be reflected back to you.  I believe you are a generation or so younger than Zuma & I, so one could say that you have a need to identify with your generation which would coincide with the lesser music RUSH has put out in later years, yet which you would identify with as it is your generation.  It would be pointless for me to criticize you for having a fondness for your generation's RUSH, just like it is pointless for your to take a stab at Zumacraig about 1970's RUSH.

Getting back to facts, since this is a RUSH mini-forum and should be more than "you old guys wanting to go back to 1978 are so pathetic..." and such silly things....

Fact:

Hemispheres may have been RUSH at their creative peak, all that Zuma said is true, especially about the production of the music, the layering of tracks, the clarity in the mix of all the instruments.  It was a rock/orchestral
masterpiece.  If you don't like longer pieces, then try on Moving Pictures.  It has the same high production values
and sonic clarity in the music in addition to the brilliant artistry of the compositions & performance.

The recent 3 or 4 RUSH records don't compare even to Fly By Night.  Modern  RUSH is recorded & mixed like RUSH trying to be Soundgarden of some other crap.  The music is harsh, tinny (exactly like Zuma said) and horribly over compressed.  I have recorded music for decades and have taken music production classes in college, so I know a bit about music production, sound quality or lack thereof.

Zuma is 100% when he writes about modern musicians not caring about sound quality or production values.  Modern music just goes for what could be perceived as trendy or the next "grunge" thing or whatever.  Who is right? Who the hell knows???  I will not judge if one is better off with a Nirvana CD or with a masterfully mixed, recorded & mastered record like Hemispheres, but facts are facts.  Everything Zuma said about the quality and today's artists not being concerned about the quality of music is accurate. 

But wait!  There's more!!!    About the qualities of RUSH music a la Hemispheres(that Zumacraig mentioned...)
I played guitar in a RUSH cover band and could play note for note, La Villa & The Trees and YYZ, Red Barchetta,
etc....   I can tell you that the more redundant pop stuff that Geddy has been writing on modern RUSH is more like Green Day than Hemispheres or Moving Pictures.  So Zuma is spot on there, and yes Zuma has a fine ear to notice that Geddy Lee has chosen to write music with many minor and dissonant intervals. Hemispheres, Permant Waves, Moving Pictures & Signals were written with major key intervals, fact is all the great RUSH stuff was written in that mode, so it would be natural for a fan to want a return to form.  Nothing inherently bad about writing in dissonant intervals, except it sounds like RUSH trying to copy alt rock bands and not innovate, and of course the obvious fact that Geddy has had little success with those alt rock or grunge intervals.  Nobody here could make a case that Counterparts or Vapor Trails are superior to anything prior to Power Windows.

And one more thing:

Get a 5.1 system and play the RUSH 5.1 mixes of Fly By Night & Farewell to Kings & Signals.  Then play oh say,
RUSH - Counterparts on the same exact system:  You will clearly observe all the things Zuma wrote about....
Overly tinny sound, no clarity of the instruments, compression that kills stereo imagery. Bad sounding digital
guitar effects, etc....

And yeah reading the replies after Zuma's comments I'm surprised he wasn't lynched for being a heretic for not blindly going with the hype for RUSH's new record.  Good for him for not being a sheep.

Let me be clear.  I LOVE RUSH and I have bought ALL their records, but no f$*#king way is the new CD a 10 of 10.
(I have heard the whole thing).  Zuma was right about all the hype. I am sick of the hype as well.  Give me a good record and I will buy it and I will listen to it.  What on God's Green Earth is wrong with that???

My point of all this mess is:

Zumacraig presented factual & detailed points in his argument/post.  If you guys have a problem with that
or with my points of contention, why can't you reply in kind, with facts and detailed observations of your own.

If not, I am also pretty good at the whole "Your mother wears Army boots thing" as well, if that is how we roll around here.

God Bless,

DM

 

You should take one of those "nostalgic" speed reading classes......