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micky 
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 Posted: August 26 2017 at 10:57 |
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pffff... Vander could be a Trump supporter and Ohio Nazi if it made him happy....
for this... all would be forgiven. and back on topic... that is one of many reasons why Magma nails VDGG straight in the ass. VDGG never came close to touching the best of Magma.. and of course there have been so many great Magma moments. ZERO f**king comparison between the two. Magma smokes VDGG as hard as it would KC and the Sunshine Band... at least they could dance and had a good ear for melody.. something completely lost on VDGG hahaha
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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CosmicVibration
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Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1344 |
Posted: August 26 2017 at 10:26 |
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YESESIS,
maybe 5 minutes of Hallelujah will ease your mind…
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Larkstongue41
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Joined: July 07 2015 Location: Eastern Canada Status: Offline Points: 1360 |
Posted: August 26 2017 at 09:51 |
A Wikipedia article
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"Larks' tongues. Wrens' livers. Chaffinch brains. Jaguars' earlobes. Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely. Dromedary pretzels, only half a denar."
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46828 |
Posted: August 26 2017 at 08:41 |
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*face palm*
god bless the internet... Children are abused in the basements pizza places in downtown D.C under Clinton's watchful eyes.. and of those of her flying death squad. Obama was Kenyan and a Muslim...Trump empathetic and qualified..... Vander a f**king goosestepping Nazi. No wonder the world is going to hell...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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CosmicVibration
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Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1344 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 19:31 |
I think it’s a bunch of crap… of course I could be wrong but let’s see. Vander thinks the African people are a bunch of degenerates? Where is the link to this interview so it can be verified? What about his admiration and affection towards John Coltrane? He even dedicated an exquisite record to John Coltrane – JOHN COLTRANE L'HOMME SUPREME
Vander "had swastika flags all over his bedroom and pictures of Hitler and would leap up and do kind of imitation Hitler speeches in the middle of his drum solo" Any pictures of his room?
Any videos of his supposed speeches during the drum solo? I guess his marriage to a Jewish lady is a just
cover-up. The swastika has been severely perverted. The swastika symbol is thousands of years old and was used by different cultures all over the world. In Buddhism it is still a sacred symbol. |
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siLLy puPPy
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PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Online Points: 14778 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 18:41 |
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^ that's a little harsh. Rumors are dished out for various reasons including jealousy and petty differences. There is no real proof of those accusations but even if they ARE true doesn't diminish musical talent. There are many lyrics i don't agree with but humans are subject to change and no individual need be stuck in any state of mind. If those rumors were real, are they still true? Who knows
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YESESIS
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Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 18:15 |
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Thanks for all the responses so far everyone, and particularly all the
information.. I just did some research on my own and I will NEVER listen
to Magma again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma_(band) The "Controversy" section Edited by YESESIS - August 25 2017 at 18:16 |
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 18:00 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 16:57 |
And you admit it?
 The second part I mean. Hey, I did too and look what good it did me(and us). |
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dr prog
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Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2449 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 16:46 |
Magma and Graaf are pretty even. But I give Magma the vote because Graaf missed 3 of the best years of prog eg. 1972-74. As for the other bands, Sabbath and Zeppelin easily
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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mlkpad14
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 16:32 |
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How do you compare two really awesome bands like these?
It's like comparing Black Sabbath and Metallica... People do it, but I can't choose... The Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin...
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 15:30 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGgXa360-E&t=17s excerpt from Köhntarkösz off of Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré Trilogie DVDEdited by CosmicVibration - August 25 2017 at 15:34 |
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Cosmiclawnmower
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 14:47 |
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I think this a very valid poll; both band's fans are extremely passionate about their favourite, in many cases fans of one love the other too (but not necessarily so..). It doesn't matter which ever way you vote, just expressing your passion and love for particular band helps keep its legacy alive. I love both and really cant choose even after to thinking it in quite a bit of depth.. good call though!!
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 10:40 |
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Magma for the most part does not
seem to be dark at all but rather very optimistic and of the light. Even though there is mentions of human
frailties and the evilness of people this is just an observation as to what’s
going on.
Jon Anderson of Yes, although being very positive and spiritual in his lyrics also speaks of such things. Relayer is a prime example, but even on Close to the Edge, which is mostly light there are contrasts of darkness. I just picked up the latest DVD from Magma, Emehntentt-Re Trilogie, it’s simply mind blowing. http://www.seventhrecords.com/en/video-dvd-38/emehntehtt-re-trilogy-1260.html The premise seems to be an expanded version of Yes’s Close to the Edge. There’s an interview with Christian Vander that’s over an hour long discussing not only the uniqueness and complexities of the music but the evolving concept of the band Magma. KA: K.A is a story of someone that’s a bit confused looking and fumbling for his way in life. He is on a religious spiritual quest, searching and trying different paths not certain which one to take.
Kohntorkosz: As Kohntorkosz he finds a path that resonates with him and is set on his journey to becoming a master.
Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré: Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré was a grand master that was looking for immortality. Konhntorkosz goes on a pilgrimage to visit the burial place of Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré. As Konhntorkosz enters the burial chamber and opens the dusty tomb he falls into a trance. He is overloaded with information that will take him a lifetime to process. . Vander goes into much more detail but this is what I can remember from one quick viewing. The interview is also in French which I don’t speak so I had to stay focused on the subtitles. The main concept is that there are many levels of consciousness or awareness before full enlightenment. This is everyone’s journey whether they realize it or not. Evolution is inevitable… |
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Saperlipopette!
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Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 10069 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 03:49 |
I don't really get why this has any relevance at all - but people are different. I guess you can say that VdGG or rather Peter Hammill is an existentialist - in the early 70's in a naive-or youthful way (but I love it nevertheless) but from ca 1974-75 his imagery and metaphors gets quite sophisticated. Compare the wide eyed "teen angst directness" of Killer or Lost to the gloomy, compex wordsmithery of Sleepwalkers or how he deals with similar "alone in the universe/why are we here"-questions in the ever-expanding Red Shift - just four years later. - I'm afraid I seem to have strayed somewhat from my original brief. But in a nutshell: its not about how it ends. Its asking unanswerable questions and creating sceneries - grand or intimate for us to experience. I love how Hammill manages to combine intellectually ambitious lyrics while still wearing his heart on his sleeve. Anyway if you fear darkness, unhappy thoughts or endings - never google "Kobaïan dictionary". You may risk never wanting to meditate to Magma again. Ẁurdah Ïtah!
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YESESIS
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Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
Posted: August 24 2017 at 20:26 |
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Glad to see this has gotten a little closer now. For me Magma is the clear choice, but hard to beat VdGG on here it seems. Maybe I should give them another try.. yeah I prolly should.
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Tapfret
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8577 |
Posted: August 24 2017 at 17:53 |
This...this is the difference between everyone else and Magma. When I first bought MDK 30 years ago I was less than impressed. After seeing them live they clicked more so than any other of the several hundred live acts I have seen. Afterwards their albums took on a whole new life.
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maryes
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Posted: August 24 2017 at 17:36 |
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Although I'm not VDGG great fan, Magma sound (nor Zeuhl style ) never attracted me !!!
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zwordser
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Posted: August 24 2017 at 16:43 |
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Last week I would have said VDGG, but Magma really blew me away with their incredible performance at Psycho Las Vegas last weekend. So now I can't decide!
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YESESIS
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Posted: August 17 2017 at 20:58 |
Same |
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YESESIS wrote:
