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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote GKR Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2015 at 11:04
^ It wasnt accidental that the census about that time in Brazil registered many people claiming that they were Yugoslavians as solidarity.

We know what Imperialism can bring. We had a twenty years dictadorship that tortured and killed people. Oh, by the way, this dictadorship was putted here "BECAUSE" we were too independent from the USA. Nice, uh?
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 Sadly, NATO destroyed almost all of our MIGs in that agression against Serbia in 1999...
 
Aggression? LOL Serbia never gets bombed if it doesn't commit genocide. Isn't it amazing how that works?
There was no genocide on Kosovo. That's a lie. There were a lot of war crimes, but not a genocicde. A genocide was in eastern Bosnia; the special forces of Bosnian Serbs under command of General Ratko Mladić in 1995 killled 8000 Muslim war prisoners in Srebrenica, as a revenge for 1993 massacre on Serbian civilians did by mujahideen,





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2015 at 11:16
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Sadly, NATO destroyed almost all of our MIGs in that agression against Serbia in 1999, and following corrupted goverments in Belgrade didn't care to buy new ones, and now we don't have bombarders to send them to bomb IS. That's a shame.
...and then you post a series of photographs that clearly illustrate how indiscriminate aerial bombardment is.

*facepalm*

There are innocent civilians living in Syria and when they die from bombs dropped from the sky it really doesn't matter who made those fu*king bombs and it really doesn't mater who dropped those fu*king bombs because those fu*king bombs cannot tell an innocent civilian from Syrian rebel fighter from a fu*king Daesh terrorist. You are a hypocrite, more than that you are the worse kind of hypocrite because you cannot see the stupidity of your hypocrisy. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2015 at 11:21
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 Sadly, NATO destroyed almost all of our MIGs in that agression against Serbia in 1999...
 
Aggression? LOL Serbia never gets bombed if it doesn't commit genocide. Isn't it amazing how that works?
There was no genocide on Kosovo. That's a lie. There were a lot of war crimes, but not a genocicde. A genocide was in eastern Bosnia; the special forces of Bosnian Serbs under command of General Ratko Mladić in 1995 killled 8000 Muslim war prisoners in Srebrenica, as a revenge for 1993 massacre on Serbian civilians did by mujahideen,
You crack me up, really. You should consider a career in comedy. It's always someone else's fault for Serbian actions.
 
 
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Since Turkey bombed that Russian plane and it's so called "moderate muslim" Turkmen machine gunned two pilots coming down on a parachute and one was killed. His bulled riddled body filmed and shown on tv with men gloating over the dead pilot's body while celebrating and chanting religious things and saying let's burn him, this made me sick. It's wrong in every sense what they did, it's a war crime in article 42 of Geneva Convention Agreement (treatment of unharmed prisoners of war). 
Putin has my vote here, never thought he would but he has all the right to be upset and that the world didn't condemn this is what is even more sickening.  
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Since Turkey bombed that Russian plane and it's so called "moderate muslim" Turkmen machine gunned two pilots coming down on a parachute and one was killed. His bulled riddled body filmed and shown on tv with men gloating over the dead pilot's body while celebrating and chanting religious things and saying let's burn him, this made me sick. It's wrong in every sense what they did, it's a war crime in article 42 of Geneva Convention Agreement (treatment of unharmed prisoners of war). 
Putin has my vote here, never thought he would but he has all the right to be upset and that the world didn't condemn this is what is even more sickening.  
 
Ummm...my dear, you are aware that Putin is not bombing ISIS targets, he's bombing rebels against Assad's corrupt regime. The Turkmen tribesman who killed the Russian have been bombed by Putin many times. Putin is still bombing them and not ISIS.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 Sadly, NATO destroyed almost all of our MIGs in that agression against Serbia in 1999...
 
Aggression? LOL Serbia never gets bombed if it doesn't commit genocide. Isn't it amazing how that works?
There was no genocide on Kosovo. That's a lie. There were a lot of war crimes, but not a genocicde. A genocide was in eastern Bosnia; the special forces of Bosnian Serbs under command of General Ratko Mladić in 1995 killled 8000 Muslim war prisoners in Srebrenica, as a revenge for 1993 massacre on Serbian civilians did by mujahideen,
You crack me up, really. You should consider a career in comedy. It's always someone else's fault for Serbian actions.
 
 
A documentary movie about Kosovo war made by Czech Television (english subtitles):






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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

(...) You all should be lucky you all just lost your toy air force (...) LOL



   





LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL






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Stop it, Svetty. Stop trying to defend the defenseless. Somehow, whether it's Muslims in Bosnia or Albanians in Kosovo, you manage to blame the victims.
 
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Since Turkey bombed that Russian plane and it's so called "moderate muslim" Turkmen machine gunned two pilots coming down on a parachute and one was killed. His bulled riddled body filmed and shown on tv with men gloating over the dead pilot's body while celebrating and chanting religious things and saying let's burn him, this made me sick. It's wrong in every sense what they did, it's a war crime in article 42 of Geneva Convention Agreement (treatment of unharmed prisoners of war). 
Putin has my vote here, never thought he would but he has all the right to be upset and that the world didn't condemn this is what is even more sickening.  
 
Ummm...my dear, you are aware that Putin is not bombing ISIS targets, he's bombing rebels against Assad's corrupt regime. The Turkmen tribesman who killed the Russian have been bombed by Putin many times. Putin is still bombing them and not ISIS.
Putin sees the Assad Government as Syria's legal Government and those so-called Turkmen are fighting along side Al-Nusra (Sunni Militia Front which is a branch of Al-Qeada) and other known terrorist fronts not against ISIS, they are making ISIS stronger by fighting against Assad forces. Turkey is bombing the Kurds, who unlike the Turkmen and Turkey, are not cooperating with Jihadist rebel groups.
At the end of the day none of us have a clue all we can do is speculate. I listen and read news from different sides and all I can do is form my own opinion.  
 
Bombing alone (by anyone) too I don't see how this could possibly be the solution to eliminate ISIS. People who are stuck there and have nowhere to go, by dropping bombs on them without letting the innocent know what's happening, this alone could enable ISIS to convince them that the West doesn't care about them and that if it was not for the bombings Syria would have been "free and peaceful without Assad and better Governance for everyone", you can't fight ideology with bombing alone plus they have bomb proof shelters underground, this affects mostly the innocent people and as I said it makes ISIS stronger.   


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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

 
Serbian television's combination of Idol and The Walking Dead. LOL
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*spits my coffee.. then my beer for good measure.. on the monitor*

Now my life is complete for having seen (a small portion LOL) of that.

So when do we get the Condor poll about how many of the 10 hours of that did YOU make it through....

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Yeah, funny how nobody wants to lash out at Turkey for fighting against the Kurds.  Come on, admit it, NATO has messed up the situation by looking askance from those allies who are following dangerous policies, Saudi being one and Turkey being another.  You can blame Putin all you want but if Saudi had been put in its place, there would be no ISIS.  And if Turkey had been put in its place, the Kurds would be more successful in their endeavour to fight ISIS.  Funny how nobody wants to say anything about that - except Hugues, Sonia and Svet - but everybody has a problem with Putin crossing slightly into the Turkish side of the border.  Russia hasn't even been a victim of ISIS yet; so how pathetic is it that NATO can't wake up even after what happened in Paris? Is there some bottom, hopefully, to the boundless cynicism of the US establishment? 

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@everyone:

No one will come out of this without innocent blood on their hands.

One wrong does not make a right;
Two wrongs do not make a right;
...An infinity of wrongs will never make a right.

Nobody has ever been right;
Nobody has ever got it right;
Nobody will ever be right.

No matter how many times you try to correct a wrong with another wrong the results is still wrong;
No matter what euphemism (Orwellian double-speak) is used to disguise a wrong it is still a wrong;
No matter how right a grievance is, correcting that grievance with another wrong will never make things right.

Nobody has the right;
Nobody has the right to be wrong;
Nobody has the right to take a life.

Revenge will never be right;
Payback will never be right;
An 'eye for an eye' will never be right.

Nobody has ever been in the right;
Nobody is ever in the right;
Nobody will ever be in the right.

Fighting, bombing and killing never solved anything; 
Ethnic cleansing, genocide and mass-murder never solved anything;
Aggression, war and hate never solved anything.

Nobody has ever got it right in the Middle East;
Nobody has ever got it right in the Balkans;
Nobody has ever got it right in any conflict in the history of the World.

Peace is the only answer.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Angelo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2015 at 05:08
Thanks for that Dean. A very nice summary of what someone wrote on Facebook last month. There is no good or bad to point at, because it's much more complicated, and in the end everybody who shoots, bombs or maims other people is bad to begin with.
Note that the text below was written before the UK decided to join the bombings. 

Originally posted by A guy on Facebook A guy on Facebook wrote:

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Facebook page, author unknown]

SYRIA: AN EXPLANATION FOR YOU ALL.

A brilliant rundown on the situation in Syria.
Thank goodness someone has figured it out what is happening in the middle east, I was confused but now it's as clear as mud. A highly restricted briefing document on Syria....


President Assad (who is bad) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels (who are good) started winning (Hurrah!). But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic State ( who are definitely bad!) and some continued to support democracy (who are still good.)
So the Americans (who are good) started bombing Islamic State (who are bad) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels (who are good) so they could fight Assad (who is still bad) which was good.


By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS ( which is a good thing ) but the Turkish authorities think they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is another matter. Getting back to Syria.


So President Putin ( who is bad, cos he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium poisoned sushi ) has decided to back Assad (who is still bad) by attacking IS (who are also bad) which is sort of a good thing? But Putin ( still bad ) thinks the Syrian Rebels (who are good) are also bad, and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans (who are good) who are busy backing and arming the rebels (who are also good).


Now Iran (who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad (still bad) as are the Russians (bad) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria. So a Coalition of Assad (still bad) Putin (extra bad) and the Iranians (good, but in a bad sort of way) are going to attack IS (who are bad) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels (who are good) which is bad.


Now the British (obviously good, except that nice Mr Corbyn in the corduroy jacket, who is probably bad) and the Americans (also good) cannot attack Assad (still bad) for fear of upsetting Putin (bad) and Iran (good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS (who are super bad).


So Assad (bad) is now probably good, being better than IS (but let’s face it, drinking your own wee is better than IS so no real choice there) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them Good. America (still Good) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin (now good) and that nice mad Ayatollah in Iran (also Good) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now Bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS (still the only constantly bad group).


To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims (Assad and Iran) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as Good (Doh!)


Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal (mmmm... might have a point) and hence we will be seen as Bad.
So now we have America (now bad) and Britain (also bad) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels (bad) many of whom are looking to IS (Good / bad) for support against Assad (now good) who, along with Iran (also Good) and Putin (also, now, unbelievably, Good) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started?


I hope that clears all this up for you.



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