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Dean
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horsewithteeth11
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horsewithteeth11
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Which is exactly why I think racism in the United States is worse today than it was in the 1960s. Anybody who tries to talk about how to fix it is usually deemed a "racist" themselves. And not talking about a problem doesn't make it go away. |
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Chris S
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The Special One wins the Triple for Internationale
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...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
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Finnforest
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That is interesting, though my life experience has not led me to that conclusion (which is not to say I dismiss your thought-perhaps the word *everybody* is the only word I take exception to). In my father's youth, he and his brothers/friends fought old school with their fists against black youth, though his impressions were that these battles were as much turf wars more than racial hatred....and there was white on white/black on black jousting too. It was a very poor neighborhood equal parts black and white. It was a product of that time and not something he carried forth into his married family life or passed to his kids. By my youth, growing up in the 70s/80s in a different neighborhood there was none of that. I had mates who were white/black, kids from India, Russia, Vietnam, probably others. NONE of those attitudes did I detect in my peers. I can't remember any malice that was based on that kind of hatred occurring around me personally. Now perhaps it is coming back. I know some kids now who talk about racial tension in the same schools I went to. But I honestly do not remember it. Living in a very diverse neighborhood now (a mix of white/black/hispanic) I still have no malice based on these differences. I do have a problem with crime, committed by anyone, and I see that as a completely different issue. Some of the best friendship of my life were people who were from a different country, and they have been fascinating and wonderful. Filled with learning and yes....amazing food from the Indian and Vietnamese kids parents! So perhaps I've always lived in a bubble? Or just got lucky. Good posts tonight. Edited by Finnforest - May 22 2010 at 22:19 |
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Henry Plainview
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And when, exactly, would black people be able to eat at any restaurant they want in Alabama without the Civil Rights Act? I know this is going to sound offensive, but it's easy for us to be cavalier about this sort of thing when we're white... |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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KoS
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Edited by KoS - May 22 2010 at 23:44 |
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jplanet
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Edited by jplanet - May 23 2010 at 00:11 |
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Henry Plainview
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You're exaggerating just a teensy bit. Yes, banks redlining neighborhoods was a terrible thing to do, but I think that was more about poverty and loan delinquencies than racism. Do you seriously believe that if the Civil Rights Act was repealed, minorities wouldn't be able to get groceries anymore? America is not the same as it was in 1930, people would get pissed if that happened again. Just like I haven't killed any Native Americans lately. And holy sh*t we elected a black President! Finn, if you truly are 100% comfortable with all people from all cultures, then yes, I would say you are an exception. I cannot say that I am, although that is in a large part due to the practices of other cultures. However, I think that being friends with ethnic people in your neighborhood doesn't count as overcoming the brain's inherent conservatism and xenophobia. They're right there, xenophobia is about people who you don't know. And while we're talking about government... Edited by Henry Plainview - May 23 2010 at 00:46 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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harmonium.ro
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Oh he is special indeed, congratulations to him, the team and the fans! |
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akamaisondufromage
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its a bit too easy to say if a business chooses not to serve a group of people then they choose to fail. That could happen if that group is big enough and vocal enough and receives the support of the majority and are aware that the business is descriminating. That's a lot to expect and as Dean says lack of action will look like condoning this kind of behaviour.
There are other groups such as disabled people who are a clear minority and may be more expensive to provide a service to. So you are saying that if MacDonalds (For Example) decide it is too expensive to provide access to disabled people (Even though they can afford to) then this is acceptable - the free market will eventually cause Macdonalds to change its mind? How long would this take? And there are even smaller minorites who are much more invisible. And smaller businesses than Macdonalds will get away with what they can.
To coin a phrase this idea is patently Bollocks. The idea that the free market will sort everything out? Look at the Banks. They prove the fact that unfortunately good legislation is necessary.
One day you might find yourself banned from a Bed and Breakfast on the ground of being a 'Prog Fan' How would you feel?
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Help me I'm falling!
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Slartibartfast
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Well, speaking of the US today vs. the US in the 60's, lynchings aren't tolerated, you can't be denied service at a public serving establishment based on the color of your skin, and I was able to legally marry my wife...
It begs the question of those who want to "take my country back": back to what??? Edited by Slartibartfast - May 23 2010 at 05:27 |
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Finnforest
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Yup Brian, that's exactly what they want......they want to go back to racial lynchings and dividing restaurants. Another nice worthless provocation, you're on a roll.
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jplanet
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Excuse me while I turn on my air purifier to remove the cloud of smug coming off of your post. Ok, O Wise One, care to ellaborate? What in God's name would be accomplished by decriminalizing institutionalized racism? How do Ayn Rand Paul and the Teabaggers want to improve my life by suggesting this? Answer Brian's question, don't just repeat selected phrases of his post back to him in a lame attempt to make him sound like he doesn't have a valid question. Edited by jplanet - May 23 2010 at 08:37 |
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Finnforest
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You're pretty good at smug yourself. His "question" wasn't a question and does not deserve a response. Like his post of a few days ago, its simply an attempt to insinuate a large portion of the country is racist. It's a non-starter for conversation after we've had some pretty good exchanges here the last couple of days. I will not answer his questions that start from the perspective that I'm evil. And I'm not talking about Rand here...but general conservatism in the public. I for one do not support decriminalizing institutionalized racism if that's what you are suggesting/asking.
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Slartibartfast
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If I pose a question that doesn't deserve a response you are totally free to ignore it.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Finnforest
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True, I'll try to work on that.
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Finnforest
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Then again, when there's unfounded blanket insinuation, not objecting
lets the falsehood persist.
Tough call. |
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Slartibartfast
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Well, no reason why we can't have a civilized and spirited debate.
You may not be a racist personally but there are lots of racists amongst the teabaggers. In fact they are just a division of the Rupugnican party. When the Democratic Party stood up for civil rights it didn't take long before the racist democrats became Republicans. But this is New of the day: Arkansas: Legacy of Talk Radio, FOX Fraudcasting, GOP and Tea Party Hate, Yet Again. Two Officers Dead. "Man Who Shot Police Had Antigovernment Views." He Used an Assault Weapon by the Way, Which Obama Said He Would Ban in the Campaign, But is Now Silent About So as Not to Offend the NRA. We Have Had Many Killings in the Last Few Months by "Anti-Government" FOX and Limbaugh Influenced Sort of Domestic Terrorists. But They are All White "Christians," So They are Considered Criminals, Not Terrorists. So, if You Swear by Christ, You Are Never a Terrorist, Because You Represent a Voting Block? "Mark Potok, who directs hate-group research at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said Mr. Kane had not been in the group’s database before Thursday. But he said that was not surprising, given the “explosive growth” in the antigovernment movement in recent years. With 363 new groups in 2009, there are now 512, Mr. Potok said." Edited by Slartibartfast - May 23 2010 at 10:35 |
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Finnforest
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It's difficult Brian when you start from where you do, which is to from the start assume the worst about people who disagree with you. Do you realize you just called for civility even as you namecall your opposition with two insulting terms in the very next paragraph? Edited by Finnforest - May 23 2010 at 10:48 |
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