Marillion

1800iareyay wrote: I think Paat Trewavas is better than Mike Rutherford, but not by a lot. His Transatlantic work won me over. Rothery sounds a lot like Hackett but his guitar tone is different. Hackett too often blended with the keys and Rothery stands out .

I would suggest you revisit the the prime Genesis albums again. "Nursery Cryme" would be a good example. Although Pete Trewavas and Rothery are very good, Rutherford and Hackett's work is much better.

I would say, to anyone wanting to know the advantages and disadvantages of the two eras of Marillion, it could be broadly (very much a generalisation, I know, there are lots of exceptions) said that:

Fish-era Marillion were particularly strong at the more uptempo numbers, with dark humour thrown in and catchy keyboards in particular. Maybe they weren't as good at the more mellow numbers.

 

For Hogarth-era, reverse that comment. I think the slower, more atmospheric pieces show the modern Marillion in their best light, whilst the occasional rocker is nowhere near as effective.

That is why I love Afraid Of Sunlight and Marbles, both have more than their fair share of slower, more melodic and atmospheric tracks. That is why both are exceptional albums.

With Fish's era, my faves are Script and Clutching At Straws, where the theatrics and quirkiness of Fish are shown to their best advantage, with hardly a slow number in sight, but still with strong melodies and excellent musicianship.

Therefore, both periods dovetail nicely for me, and I can enjoy both. (I hope this all makes sense!)

Personally, I am hoping the new album will be along the lines of Marbles, or Afraid Of Sunlight, and that they keep the rockers to the minimum. However, only time will tell!

^personally,i equally enjoy both rockers and ballads from the H era.. "The Uninvited Guest" rules...

by the way, i'd like to point out "This Strange Engine" as one of their greatest, even better that "Brave" or "Afraind Of Sunlight"...

[QUOTE=Flip_Stone]Personal opinion, but after Fish left Marillion, he took the heart of the true Marillion sound with him.  Classic Fish albums like Suits and Sunsets On Empire kick the crap out of the Hogarth-era "marillion" (in name only) albums.  Fish's vocal intensity, power, and range knock Hogarth into a fragile feminine wimpering cower.

Anoraknophobia...just heard it...didn't like it to much

Scapler wrote: Anoraknophobia...just heard it...didn't like it to much

chessman wrote: [QUOTE=Flip_Stone]Personal opinion, but after Fish left Marillion, he took the heart of the true Marillion sound with him.  Classic Fish albums like Suits and Sunsets On Empire kick the crap out of the Hogarth-era "marillion" (in name only) albums.  Fish's vocal intensity, power, and range knock Hogarth into a fragile feminine wimpering cower.   There is some good material on Holidays in Eden, Brave, and This Strange Engine, but the songs would have benefitted as instrumentals...   Okay Hogarth lovers, bring on the unfounded wrath...   [IMG]height=17 alt=Clap src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" width=18 align=absMiddle>      Most people know I prefer Fish to Hogarth. I love his lyrics, and his strong vocalisations, almost characterisations, whilst, to me, Hogarth does not stand out as much, or dominate the songs in the same way. However, I do think you are being a bit harsh of Steve here. I have seen Marillion live on the Holidays In Eden tour, and Hogarth was really powerful, and a very effective frontman. One thing he can do is sing the slower, more atmospheric songs well, whereas Fish didn't have the right type of voice for that. In fact, the only track I can recall that Fish sings in a truly emotional way, is Sugar Mice (admittedly it's a brilliant performance, on a brilliant song). So the two singers are different really. And maybe the fact Steve doesn't dominate the songs so much only enhances the musicians behind him. I still prefer Fish's voice, but I certainly think Hogarth is far from a bad singer. (E-Dub will love me for defending Hogarth here!) [IMG]height=17 alt=LOL src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>

Always good to see H stood up for. I do think he gets some unwarranted bashing.

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I'm rather interested in hearing one of the new songs.. one of the tracks that's most likely going to be used for Somewhere Else's follow-up. I thought it was 'Real Tears for Sale'.. From what I've read it's a song that has a lot in common with the title track of the Brave album (!!!) with the exception that the ending equals the end section of King (!!!!). !!!


Now don't get mad at me if this info is incorrect, but some friend of Hogarth posted this on the official Marillion forum and Lucy Jordache (their manager/all-around person ) did only say that this guy knows that sort of info because he's befriended with Steve H. Sound pretty plausible to me, especially since no one bothered to contradict it!

Cheers,

Tristan

p.s. Can't wait for the beginning of next month. I'm so looking forward to the Marillionconvention!

E-Dub wrote: Tristan Mulders wrote: I'm rather interested in hearing one of the new songs.. one of the tracks that's most likely going to be used for Somewhere Else's follow-up. I thought it was 'Real Tears for Sale'.. From what I've read it's a song that has a lot in common with the title track of the Brave album (!!!) with the exception that the ending equals the end section of King (!!!!). !!!Now don't get mad at me if this info is incorrect, but some friend of Hogarth posted this on the official Marillion forum and Lucy Jordache (their manager/all-around person ) did only say that this guy knows that sort of info because he's befriended with Steve H. Sound pretty plausible to me, especially since no one bothered to contradict it!Cheers,Tristanp.s. Can't wait for the beginning of next month. I'm so looking forward to the Marillionconvention! Those of us not attending will certainly be thinking of you guys. E

Our thoughts will be with those who cannot attend

That's really great news about the "lead single" or whatever this may be... Probably the best I could've hoped for. I'm already imagining at being heartful, atmospheric, and then with a killer ending that just ups the pace and intensity.