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Psychedelic Paul
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I don't see a problem with reviewers giving their favourite albums the full five stars, because ultimately, the high ratings are balanced out by the lower ratings. For every album on ProgArchives there's a ratings overview. For instance, on the first album I ever reviewed on Prog Archives, "Lemmings" (1970) by Bachdenkel, these are the overall combined ratings and reviews:- 3.44 | 67 ratings | 9 reviews | 30% 5 stars. I think these overall ratings are the most helpful of all in deciding whether an album is worth listening to or not. Edited by Psychedelic Paul - October 29 2019 at 12:26 |
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TCat
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I could be wrong, but I think most of the reviewers here, myself included, are amateurs. None of us get paid to write reviews for this site, at least that I know of. In my case, I do it because I enjoy doing it, because I love music, and because I have a good amount of education and experience in it, so I feel like I can back up some of the reasons why I like or dislike something (in other words, defend my position). I enjoy it and consider it a hobby, not a profession. I use the word professional so as to illustrate what an actual professional reviewer would do. But there are also times, when reading other's reviews, that it will shed light on certain things I didn't think of before, or I will understand what makes a certain kind of music or album appealing to someone, and that will sometimes make me reconsider my own ideas about an album. I enjoy reading what others have to say. But, I digress. I think it makes sense that since this site distinguishes certain people as a Prog Reviewer (even though everyone is invited to write a review that can be defended), that they (a Prog Reviewer)should write well rounded reviews, have a basis to back them up, and be able to take time to listen to music they don't like and review it with a musician's and a reviewer's mentality, being able to defend why they gave it a certain rating. Designated prog reviewer's ratings have more of a weight to them in the album's overall score for the site and it also is highlighted on the main page of the album, so at least if you are designated as a prog reviewer for PA, then you should be expected to write an effective review with enough evidence to back it up. However, those regular members that aren't designated as a "Prog Reviewer" that want to do a review are free to do so. There should be no rules as to whether they have to listen to music they hate, unless they want to prove themselves and become a designated "Prog Reviewer". The one thing that they should do is make it as credible and well-written as possible. Of course, PA admins have every right at the same time, to reject the review, encourage better review writing if needed by "coaching" questionable reviewers, or discuss the character of reviews written by undesignated reviewers. If a member is consistent in writing great and credible reviews, then the admins can invite her or him to become a "Prog Reviewer". The words "I love this album!" are fine, but not by themselves. Tell us why you love it, and why you think it deserves a high rating other than "because you love it". That is how you will get credibility as a reviewer.
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Psychedelic Paul
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^^ TCat, That's an excellent review of what it takes to be a fully-fledged Prog Reviewer - something that I could never aspire to be.
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Logan
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^ I understood what you meant, T Cat, but I've sometimes wondered if any here might have turned it into a career. It just reflects on some of my regrets. I've seen very successful professional reviewers (mostly in film) who, according to my subjective evaluation and standards, are terrible. I don't have enough music studies under my belt to feel comfortable writing music reviews. It's rather strange that I even found myself at a music for so long. I've listened to a great deal of music, and love music, but there are other areas where I would feel more adept when it comes to deep discussions. But then my wife likes to say that I'm happy to share my thoughts on anything, even if I know next to nothing about it. I'm very far from a music academic. I can at least read sheet music and play a few instruments not very well, and I do have some sense of what is well-written when it comes to reading music reviews.
What reviews I've written for the site are abject crap, with whimsical sentences like "I recommend this for those who enjoy diversity in their music, and are not scared to take an alternative Prog route where the funky disco queen resides ensconced by chrome monks in her bizarre disco-ball palace". I do like insightful reviews, and have read a few that have made me re-appraise something, see it in a new light, help to put it in some context of which I hadn't yet thought. |
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TCat
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Have you watched Perpetual Grace Ltd. yet? |
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Logan
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^ No, not yet, as I haven't found it available to me on the services I subscribe to (my cable channels, Netflix, and Amazon Prime Video). I could get a 7 day free trial to EPIX, and after that it would be 6 dollars per month through Amazon.
I have hardly been watching any shows of late. The last thing I finished was American Gods, before that Good Omens and The Boys, and still have to finish Preacher, and started on Carnival Row. |
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TCat
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^Carnival Row is good, its a bit dialogue heavy, but that's okay. I think you would love Perpetual Grace. It is just .... so.... odd for lack of a better word, but in a good and very funny way. Just don't take it too seriously. And the soundtrack is pretty cool too, most of it created by the band "The Jones Sisters", who aren't really sisters at all.
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Logan
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^ I can say with a huge amount of confidence that I indeed will love Perpetual Grace Ltd. Great cast, love the setting, like the music, the trailer is terrific. When I have time, it's something I'd like to binge (especially while I'm waiting for a series four of Fargo).
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Psychedelic Paul
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If I read a totally original and intriguing album review like that, I would just HAVE to check the album out to find out more.
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Logan
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^ It certainly would help to entice one if you like disco, and I know you do.
Whether you would actually like the music, I do not know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM7a8x5br8E Edited by Logan - October 29 2019 at 15:04 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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[QUOTE=Logan]^ It certainly would help to entice one if you like disco, and I know you do.
Whether you would actually like the music, I do not know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM7a8x5br8E[/QUOTE] I listened to the Chrome Hoof video in the link, although I'm sorry to say it didn't appeal to me at all, but at least I gave it a try.
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I rate my albums on a 10 scale 5 stars is 9/10 or 10/10 I have rated more than 2100 albums/DVDs I have rated 19 albums/DVDs 10/10 and about 50 9/10 So overall around 3% 5 stars (and I only rate albums that I own, so almost no 1 or 2 stars rating)
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Interestingly Chrome Hoof have reformed to play a festival next year. Love their stuff and I hate disco. |
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Just for the record, I hate overrated reviews and disco.
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I did not specifically say that I would not write a "bad" review ... I tend to save those comments for the threads that end up on that album or sometimes, about that artist and their efforts. In my case, with more than 500 film reviews (foreign!!!! just like the music!), there are many things that are not exactly great, but I will understate that softly ... again ... you do not wish to take people away from their own learning and decision as to what is right or wrong, or good or bad. But the issue here, is not if something is good or bad ... it is that some "fans" think that every review that does not hiss something or other is bad ... and that's not fair ... I make fun of Metallica, but I don't go around saying they are a bad band ... obviously they are not ... it's just their material doesn't do a whole lot for me, even if so many teenagers 20 years ago thought it was GOD! AND ... it is that "time element" that I tend to write the reviews for ... to ensure that you have something to look at and to look for ... as an example, trying to get people to understand and appreciate some of the idiosyncrasies in "Brazil", or some films, so that the experience of sitting there and ... wow ... this is a weird film ... doesn't take over, at which point the appreciation for the art itself falls down and dies in that person! SAME WITH MUSIC! It's OK to state that it is not your preference ... and that you think that the styles are a bit mixed too much making it confusing for your experience in listening to the music ... but to state that the album is bad because of that is not fair to the artist! AGAIN, and you are one of the guns here in PA ... why are you helping PA? Because you believe in the music, obviously, but some of it is not your cup of tea ... let it go ... talk about something else! Doesn't make Kate Bush any less of an artist ... and you just another reviewer like me! And in the end, that's the big difference ... you and I talk about it and disagree and the artist says ... I'm the one creating the thought and the music ... sorry ... if you don't like it, but this is me, and you are telling me to go get another set of pants and shoes ... I like the red shoes!
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Actually, perhaps ironically and based on what has already been said in this thread, an argument can be made that one should give less weight to people who write reviews and more weight to those who just clicked on a rating. This is because reviews are biased towards higher ratings due to the tendency to only write reviews for albums that are liked, in contrast to ratings only, which due to the ease of clicking on a rating, is more likely to produced a balanced average. |
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