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    Posted: January 11 2015 at 19:20
Well, let's see:

King Crimson and Gentle Giant were the forerunners of the eclectic side of prog, and I think they played on stage together from time to time (????)
Yes and Genesis pioneered symphonic rock with more orchestrated effects. 
Jethro Tull are the undeniable gods of prog folk, beating almost every band out of the competetion.
Rush turned prog on it's head by making it heavier and more pleasing to both metalheads and prog fans.
Pink Floyd turned the world itself upside down with the new and improved space rock genre.

Those are probably my top pick for influential artists. Wink
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Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Rush?  Influential?  To whom?  Rush was a Canadian knock off of Yes + Zep.....some great radio tunes and that's exactly where their success originated - classic rock FM radio.  Back in the late 70s, stoners and metal heads really dug Rush, but Crimson, Genesis and Yes fans thought they were crude and clones of something more substanial.  Rush as prog giants really only came about since the 90s.....in the mid to late 80s, I would see Rush in front of 300 people.  Their popularity had peaked with Moving Pictures, and they were on the downswing.  Then the push of a couple greatest hits packages, videos and feature tours turned them from high school parking lot heroes to prog kings.  Decent band but totally a product of other parts.


Rush's influence on prog metal is almost indisputable.  Now if you happen to think prog metal is not prog rock, then of course that's a different discussion altogether.  What you have mapped out over there is just the peaks and troughs of their popularity, which doesn't necessarily stop other musicians from drawing inspiration from their music.  
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It depends what "influential" means. I say influencial means without that band prog wouldn't exist or sound the same, which would probably be King Crimson. They influenced basically all the crucial bands of prog. If you mean what band has the most followers even among musicians, it would have to Pink Floyd or Rush, though as some have pointed out they have led to bands in other genres.
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Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Rush?  Influential?  To whom?  Rush was a Canadian knock off of Yes + Zep.....some great radio tunes and that's exactly where their success originated - classic rock FM radio.  Back in the late 70s, stoners and metal heads really dug Rush, but Crimson, Genesis and Yes fans thought they were crude and clones of something more substanial.  Rush as prog giants really only came about since the 90s.....in the mid to late 80s, I would see Rush in front of 300 people.  Their popularity had peaked with Moving Pictures, and they were on the downswing.  Then the push of a couple greatest hits packages, videos and feature tours turned them from high school parking lot heroes to prog kings.  Decent band but totally a product of other parts.


Well said---Clap  Rush is arena rock at it's peak---probably has more metal and stoner fans than prog rock fans ..they use to say they wanted to do an album as amazing as Relayer---one of their favorite albums......but they never did.Smile
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Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

Rush?  Influential?  To whom?  


Beyond The Lighted Stage has contributions from a number of musicians although I can't remember exactly who. They had more influence on the metal and alternative rock scene than they did on prog as far as I can see.
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Rush?  Influential?  To whom?  Rush was a Canadian knock off of Yes + Zep.....some great radio tunes and that's exactly where their success originated - classic rock FM radio.  Back in the late 70s, stoners and metal heads really dug Rush, but Crimson, Genesis and Yes fans thought they were crude and clones of something more substanial.  Rush as prog giants really only came about since the 90s.....in the mid to late 80s, I would see Rush in front of 300 people.  Their popularity had peaked with Moving Pictures, and they were on the downswing.  Then the push of a couple greatest hits packages, videos and feature tours turned them from high school parking lot heroes to prog kings.  Decent band but totally a product of other parts.
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I don,t think anyone mentioned Hawkwind ? A little different than other bands of their era! Gentle Giant perhaps! Variety is the spice of life and musical influences show creativity with passion and experimentation at there peak!
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I don't even like Renaissance!!!LOL
 



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this thread is where we continue discussion of Renaisance with focus on their latest album.
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You're probably both right, but it's been an interesting conversation to read ..........and hell, I don't even like Renaissance!!!LOL
Also a breath of fresh air to a part of the forum that very quickly turns into lists with no banter whatsoever. 
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Yeah, we should take it somewhere other than this thread. Wink  I take it you don't like Grandine Il Vento too much either?  Yeah, find the songs on the new album rather lacking in energy.  And it's nothing to do with the age of the band because the live performances of the 70s tracks are still damn good.  Also agree that Mystic does in fact evoke the older material with a gothic twist (probably the direction they should have taken in the 80s).
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yes they did "I think of you", not one of my favorite Renaissance songs.  I would have preferred they tackle the more duet ready "Closer than Yesterday".  The band did an amazing version of Mother Russia, and the Ashes are Burning encore rivalled the bar-setting version on "Live at Carnegie Hall", with plenty of differences.  The newer material generally just doesn't measure up, especially from an energy perspective, with the live versions sounding as tired as they do on the CD, but "Grandine Il Vento" is pretty good, especially its very emotive ending showing Annie at her best, and "The Mystic and The Muse" is definitely in the old style.  They opened with a great rendition of "Prologue".  I was ecstatic to hear "Opening Out" and "Day of the Dreamer" back to back but felt Annie wasn't high enough  in the mix.  Maybe I should cut and paste this to the concert reviews page.
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It is only guesswork on my part.  But as per the FB post of Annie's that I referred to, she had dinner with Mary and her husband, probably at their place.  That sounds rather intimate for people who are not friends, so I made the inference.  And as I googled up that FB post to verify, I found that Mary had also shared some earlier post of Annie's so it seems to be a pretty reasonable conclusion to make that they would be friends.  What I can say with more certainty is Mary is a huge fan of Annie's as kennethlevine's above comment also confirms and Annie too has praised Mary Fahl as an incredible singer in a couple of interviews.   I am glad they performed together and maybe Mary can relieve Annie of her duties as the Renaissance woman eventually (or would it be heresie to suggest that?).

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I'm not overly familiar with October Project but not surprised Mary is a fan. I can see some similarities. I saw this announcement over on PE but even though I'm in the general area I didn't make it over there last night. I did however see Renaissance at the final Nearfest and thought they were great.  I actually met Annie once at one of her art exhibits a few years ago(she lives in the area). I didn't know she was friends with Mary Fahl though.

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Yeah, apparently they are friends. They had met up a month or couple of months back or so and Annie wondered aloud on her FB page whether this could be the start of something.  Turns out it was.  Heard Mary sang a duet with Annie on I Think of You?
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just happened to see Renaissance in Philadelphia last night - great show!  And who should appear on the stage for one of the encores but Mary Fahl of OCTOBER PROJECT, claiming to have been swept away by Annie and Renaissance as a sullen 16 year old.

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

^^^  Are there really bands with a Renaissance-like sound?   Maybe some of those Japanese outfits?  Can you mention the ones you're thinking of? Smile Because I have never felt it in Karnataka, Magenta or Mostly Autumn who all had more elements of the sound of PF/Yes/Genesis IMO.  In fact not even in October Project.  Annie Haslam may have influenced other female singers to perform in prog rock bands, yes.  

yeah I was actually thinking of Vermilion Sands and the related group whose name escapes me.
Recently was listening to fine album by Quebecois group ELIPHASZ which liberally quoted two Renaissance songs in its melodies  - "Kiev" and "Kindness at the End".  AMENOPHIS pilfers a passage from "A Song for All Seasons" on their self titled album.  I know the latter might have itself been stolen by REnaissance from some penniless deceased composer but it probably still came to AMENOPHIS via RENAISSANCE.  Brazilian one-off ARION seems influenced by both versions of RENAISSANCE, as does 1970s German band REBEKKA, particularly their album "Phoenix".  Then there's CAROLE OF HARVEST, more folky than Renaissance but  the voclaist must have listened to Annie.  Spanish group SNOWDONIA are another.  I even think the GORDON GILTRAP - OLIVER WAKEMAN recent collaboration has some Renaissance sounding material.  I'm sure there are more.  The thing is, RENAISSANCE were well known enough to have cast some influence, since most of these bands had probably heard them.  With some obscure bands, similarities to other bands might be due to common ancestry rather than direct influence
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Kansas are also mentioned as a band with 'no influence' but Glass Hammer have clearly incorporated elements of the Kansas sound with the Vioia and Violin on one or two albums so that statement is not true. I'm sure their must also be other symph prog bands from the USA that would cite Kansas as an influence.

I think I wrote "no influence of real importance" which is exactly what I meant. Some bands pave way for myriads of bands (and continue to do so) and create whole genres, such as King Crimson and Pink Floyd while others have a sound on their viola and violin that other bands incorporate.

I love Banco but to me its obvious that their three fantastic first albums hasn't been influential in any important way. They were too late in the game and didn't bring anything new to the table when they arrived. But it still great music and many people like them. While Goblin probably weren't the biggest selling italian band (but like Tortoise they sold lots more albums than all the retroproggers do) there's little doubt that its their inventive approach from their 70's Argento OST's that are the most influential.

The bands we discover after we''ve heard all the pioneering bands in all the different kinds of progressive music when we look for more of the stuff in a similar vein, are logically less influential than the bands that were the true originators.   

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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

I've noticed it seems a put down of artists to say they haven't really influenced anyone, but honestly, how could any well known band with hundreds of thousands if not millions of fans NOT have influenced anyone?  Also, it might be to a band's credit that it's hard to find followers, since it suggests their sound was a bit hard to duplicate, or could not be pigeon holed.  
 
Exactly. This is why my original intention was for it to be as much about over all popularity (in the prog world)than about influence. Some people ran away with what I had in mind and started to mention bands that I(and many others)would not consider prog and imo do not have a big influence among the fans of traditional prog and what has typically been considered prog. Gentle Giant were a band that were not easily duplicated and had their own sound but were still very popular in the prog world. But to assume something has to be super original or have their own sound in order to be considered influential or important or popular is just silly. Marillion for example are one of the biggest post seventies prog bands and yet they could easily be accused of not having much of their own sound especially in the early days when they were considered by many critics to be copying the PG era Genesis sound.
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I'm only going to rank the influence of bands I have listened to :P 
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
YES
Genesis
ELP
Jethro Tull
Dream Theater
Camel
Caravan
Porcupine Tree
Van der Graaf Generator
Gentle Giant
Kansas
Focus
Moody Blues
Spock's Beard
Transatlantic
Marillion

Most of the neo prog bands are at the bottom, because they did not so much influence anyone themselves, as they were influenced by 70s progressive rock 

 
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