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 Posted: October 16 2014 at 18:29 |
[And yet as a massively successful pop group, Genesis still beat Yes. ] Yes but only as a pop group. As a prog band Yes were more popular. Retrospectively Genesis may be more influential even as a prog band but even that is debatable. Both bands put out great music. If you aren't a YES fan that's fine and I feel bad for anyone who doesn't get YES since they did put out some amazing music.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 18:32 |
[Plus throwing out Anderson in his time of illness is just cringe-worthy. Cycling threw vocalists to try to stay afloat and yet still making a mockery of themselves is pretty damn silly. At least Genesis figured out they needed Phil after CAS, not trying to grab more clones and touring. ] You are right but that still doesn't take away the fact that they are one of the greatest prog rock/classic rock bands of all time. You can't take away what they already accomplished. I do agree that what they did was bad(in regards to them sacking Jon) and these days they seem to only be in it for the money(as Frank Zappa might say). Even I have lost respect for them lately and kind of lost interest them after Magnification. I do like FFH but I have no interest in buying the latest release any time soon.
Edited by Prog_Traveller - October 16 2014 at 18:34
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 18:46 |
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Yes Genesis KC Pink Floyd
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 20:30 |
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i thought i'd reckon that PF would take the top spot here, at least in a general consensus (if that makes sense). but yeah, i think everyone else has a similar kind of list as i would, so i won't get in the way of making one.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 22:33 |
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Just going by influence:
King Crimson
Genesis
Yes
Pink Floyd
ELP
The Moody Blues
Jethro Tull
VDGG
Rush
Magma
Gong
Dream Theater
Marillion
Caravan
Gentle Giant
Camel
Nektar
Strawbs
IQ
Porcupine Tree
Kansas
Focus
Renaissance
PFM
Banco
UK
Anglagard
Spock's Beard
The Flower Kings
Transatlantic
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Horizons
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 22:58 |
^ I'm sure DT and Rush should be higher up.
This is an honest question - but did ELP actually influence anyone to a high degree?
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 01:24 |
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Richard H, I like what you did with my list. I like how you cleaned it up and organized it. Just out of curiosity who did you omit from my original list?
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I actually didn't omit anyone but added Eloy and The Mars Volta to make it 4 groups of 8 bands (32)
To answer your other question about TMV (if they are included then why not Muse and Radiohead as well) in my mind TMV were much closer to the original idea of prog. I am a massive Muse fan (you may have guessed  ) but I am very comfortable with them not being on any prog list. Matt Bellamy has never hidden his infuences but to call Muse a 'prog band' would be a massive stretch. With TMV not so. Hope that explains it.
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 04:22 |
I focus more on lasting influence how popular (some of them once were). Removed ten and replaced them with ten others:
King Crimson Pink Floyd KRAFTWERK FRANK ZAPPA Magma Moody Blues Genesis Rush GODSPEED YOU! BLACK EMPEROR Jethro Tull Yes Dream Theater (unfortunately) SOFT MACHINE TANGERINE DREAM HENRY COW TORTOISE MR BUNGLE Gong Van der Graaf Generator ELP Anglagard PFM Camel Marillion Gentle Giant No real influence of importance on other bands: Kansas, Spock's Beard, Flower Kings, Nektar, UK, Strawbs, Renaissance, Transatlantic, , Banco, Focus
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 09:53 |
In no particular order:
Jethro Tull King Crimson Yes Genesis Pink Floyd ELP Camel Gentle Giant PFM Rush
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 23:42 |
Kraftwerk, Tortoise and GYBE more influential on other prog bands than the Flower Kings, Kansas, Spock's Beard, Transatlantic, Nektar or Banco. That's a good one. 
Edited by Prog_Traveller - October 17 2014 at 23:43
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 23:51 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Kraftwerk, Tortoise and GYBE more influential on other prog bands than the Flower Kings, Kansas, Spock's Beard, Transatlantic, Nektar or Banco. That's a good one.
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Yea groundbreaking electronic artist has influenced not only the entire electronic genre but many other genres - more than Transatlantic, a recent band that sounds like a 70's one. I don't think anyone is thinking "Hey, let's sound like Transatlantic!"
I think you need to learn about electronic and post-rock before you call it a joke that they're more influential than NEO-prog bands.
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 00:28 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Is it just me or does YES take a back seat to Genesis and KC according to some of you? YES weren't even mentioned in one small batch of bands listed by one poster. Is it possible that YES's influence and even popularity has diminished somewhat over the years?
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A definite "F**k yeah" would be your answer. KC has definitely been the most 'progressive' of the prog groups over the years, and Genesis has had more following than Yes over those same years...
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 01:59 |
twosteves wrote:
Yes Genesis KC Pink Floyd |
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 16:35 |
Overall popularity and importance: Pink Floyd - a band almost anyone knows and respects Rush - slappin da bass!
Dream Theater - prog metal icon Importance in prog: King Crimson - the most influental - ITCOKK
ELP - tons of keys, virtuoso playing, classical influence
Genesis - influenced a lot of bands/singers
Yes - CTTE - just look at the number of ratings and rating value
Pink Floyd - architects of sound, influenced krautrock
Rush - along with KC influenced prog metal Gentle Giant - can be very complex and dissonant, not a popular band but influenced a lot of musicians
Edited by terramystic - October 18 2014 at 16:36
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 17:16 |
Horizons wrote:
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Kraftwerk, Tortoise and GYBE more influential on other prog bands than the Flower Kings, Kansas, Spock's Beard, Transatlantic, Nektar or Banco. That's a good one.
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Yea groundbreaking electronic artist has influenced not only the entire electronic genre but many other genres - more than Transatlantic, a recent band that sounds like a 70's one. I don't think anyone is thinking "Hey, let's sound like Transatlantic!"
I think you need to learn about electronic and post-rock before you call it a joke that they're more influential than NEO-prog bands.
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I know plenty about electronica and ambient and post rock. I was referring to influence as far as the prog scene goes. I mean this is a prog site and not an electronic site right?
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 19:06 |
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Prog_Traveller wrote:
Kraftwerk, Tortoise and GYBE more influential on other prog bands than the Flower Kings, Kansas, Spock's Beard, Transatlantic, Nektar or Banco. That's a good one.
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Yea groundbreaking electronic artist has influenced not only the entire electronic genre but many other genres - more than Transatlantic, a recent band that sounds like a 70's one. I don't think anyone is thinking "Hey, let's sound like Transatlantic!"
I think you need to learn about electronic and post-rock before you call it a joke that they're more influential than NEO-prog bands.
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I know plenty about electronica and ambient and post rock. I was referring to influence as far as the prog scene goes. I mean this is a prog site and not an electronic site right? |
Yes, and both PR and PE are listed here.
If you're defining Prog as symphonic/neo only, i think if modern bands are looking for influences they will go to Transatlantics' influences and roots rather than the actual band because of the genre they play.
I'm sure there are many, many more bands listed on this website influenced by Kraftwerk, Tortoise and GYBE more than Transatlantic, Kansas and Flower Kings.
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 19:27 |
YES Genesis
King Crimson
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Henry Cow
Frank Zappa
Magma
Tangerine Dream
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Rush
CAN
Radiohead
ELP
Caravan
Gentle Giant Van der Graaf Generator Hatfield & The NorthCamel Gong
Porcupine Tree
Marillion PFM Kansas Moody Blues That'll do for me
Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - October 18 2014 at 19:29
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 19:30 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
I focus more on lasting influence how popular (some of them once were). Removed ten and replaced them with ten others:
King Crimson Pink Floyd KRAFTWERK FRANK ZAPPA Magma Moody Blues Genesis Rush GODSPEED YOU! BLACK EMPEROR Jethro Tull Yes Dream Theater (unfortunately) SOFT MACHINE TANGERINE DREAM HENRY COW TORTOISE MR BUNGLE Gong Van der Graaf Generator ELP Anglagard PFM Camel Marillion Gentle Giant No real influence of importance on other bands: Kansas, Spock's Beard, Flower Kings, Nektar, UK, Strawbs, Renaissance, Transatlantic, , Banco, Focus |
KC on top! Much respect from Me! 
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 19:31 |
terramystic wrote:
Overall popularity and importance:
Pink Floyd - a band almost anyone knows and respects
Rush - slappin da bass!
Dream Theater - prog metal icon
Importance in prog:
King Crimson - the most influental - ITCOKK
ELP - tons of keys, virtuoso playing, classical influence
Genesis - influenced a lot of bands/singers
Yes - CTTE - just look at the number of ratings and rating value
Pink Floyd - architects of sound, influenced krautrock
Rush - along with KC influenced prog metal
Gentle Giant - can be very complex and dissonant, not a popular band but influenced a lot of musicians
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Another one who gets heavy respect! 
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 20:17 |
[I'm sure there are many, many more bands listed on this website influenced by Kraftwerk, Tortoise and GYBE more than Transatlantic, Kansas and Flower Kings. ] Agree to disagree. All you have to do is look up the number of ratings and reviews for each band. There you go. I can guarantee you that TFK and Transatlantic and Kansas have more ratings and reviews than Tortoise or Kraftwerk. Tortoise??? Seriously? If you were going to pick a post rock band I would say Sigur Ros. They are more known and influential than Tortoise. Probably others as well. I don't necessarily consider electronic or post rock to be part of prog(even though this site does so maybe are disagreement rests partly on that).
Edited by Prog_Traveller - October 18 2014 at 20:22
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