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Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: November 21 2014 at 00:17 | |||
I think ATTWT is pretty much excellent overall. The year is 1978, and having discovered this album (and the following few I mention) sometime throughout 1988, along with Yes, ELP, etc. I think that they still portray an essence of 'true Prog' within their approach. I firmly, don't believe that 'shorter songs' necessarily equate to less Prog. I think it's just a gradual slide into what was 'required' by the demands of the masses. Adaptation seems to be the excuse, and it definitely would've been difficult for amazing musicians to come to terms with this trend. None of us were in a successful band during this time, therefore, who can blame them for morphing into what us Progheads deem 'sellout'.......?
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Chris S
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 23:49 | |||
^ Off track but what is the hype about Water's and his dominance around this time. More power to him, genius, that he is. And Pros and Cons and ATD, more epic albums. ATD on a par with Animals and The Wall ( almost ;-)...)
Gilmour's influence is just fine as is Mason and Wright's contribution on those PF pieces
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 22:38 | |||
About Animals, it IS one of my favourite PF albums (No 2, or perhaps even tied at No 1 with Wish you Were Here)... however, even though the band members themselves have spoken about how Waters control over the band was tightening by then, I don't totally buy the idea that it was an album totally dominated by him... yet. Yeah, he is the only writer on almost all the song... but that's almost, and thee one song he shares credits is Dogs, which takes almost half the time of the album, and for me is the very best song on the album, and as far as I understand musically was mainly a Gilmour song (but as often happens with Pink Floyd, Waters gets a share of the writing credits on most songs because of the lyrics... so it is difficult to actually know in which songs he actually contributed to the music). As for The Wall... it's a great album in it's own merit, but it's still a step down from the previous albums for me, and indeed the best song in it for me is Comfortably Numb... once again, co-written with Gilmour (suposedly once again, the music being mainly by him). As for Waters solo albums, they do have some really nice songs, but it shows he needed some help to make them really great albums (except for Amused to Death, which is indeed his best solo album... but even that one has a few weaker songs... and in some guitar solos, I really wish Gilmour had been there to make them really special). |
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SteveG
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 15:17 | |||
^I do not live in a world where everyone likes everything, that's why the concept of tolerance was created. Edited by SteveG - November 20 2014 at 15:45 |
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M27Barney
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 14:47 | |||
It's as good an adjective as anything else and since I used catastrophic , I decided that Alliteration was leading me to caterwauling.....Basically your childish assertion that if somebody sl*g. off one thing in a myriad of possible things...they are essentially closed minded.....How wonderfully homogenous your world must be! To like every single thing equally...... - how magnificently open minded you are sir....
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SteveG
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 13:48 | |||
^Yes, referring to Celine Dion's singing as 'caterwalling' is quite open minded. My mistake.
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M27Barney
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 13:12 | |||
Seriously? There is no-one more open-minded than me - I own (vinyl & CD) and have listened to ATTWT quite a few times , I daresay that some people probably think this is as good as Genesis gets - It's bound to be somebodies favourite Genesis Release. Anyway , this is a forum and I was just espousing the alternative take on "Wall of Sound" hyperbole that was opined.....You can listen to Celine Dion for all I care and think that her catastrophic caterwauling is the very best thing you can put in your ears...... I probably won't ever play ATTWT again (though I will occasionally spin FYFM to the wife to lubricate for lasciviousness so to speak!)
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Relayer71
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 12:59 | |||
Phil comes to his own on this album, vocally, though Duke is really a much better example. As much as I love Gabriel (and prefer him to Phil on vocals), he could not have done this song justice. Phil's voice, timing, melodic sensibility really works on this track.
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Relayer71
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 12:54 | |||
Oh, and I actually don't mind Follow You, Follow Me! It was on the end of the album which was a great choice and doesn't ruin the general flow of it. And over the years I've actually come to really like it.
It's pop and a bit too cute but it's catchy and listenable in the way that Turn It On Again and Your Own Special Way were. Nowhere as bad as Alone Tonight or Please Don't Ask from Duke. Those were just terrible, cheesy, hokey.
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Relayer71
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 12:46 | |||
I sort of agree. This album took me a while to get into and I now love it and think it's underrated but the sound quality is what irks me the most and keeps it from being better appreciated. Mushy is a good word, also murky and dull and it doesn't help that this is the sound I'm referring to but these adjectives can also apply to the actual content on a couple of tracks. Same with Wind & Wuthering, though the 5.1 and stereo remasters really improve the sound. There really is some great material on this album though, and I don't understand why some say it's not "proggy" enough or too pop. I think Duke is when they started to sound more pop although that album still has plenty of prog elements. Down And Out, Ballad of Big, Deep In The Motherlode, and The Lady Lies are standout tracks. I could have done without Say It's Alright Joe and Scenes From A Night's Dream. The rest of the album is a bit dull and Phil singing, "Pretty Mama" on Many Too Many nearly ruins that track for me, lol |
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SteveG
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 11:31 | |||
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verslibre
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 09:59 | |||
^^^Sounds a bit like Duke, doesn't it?
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Kati
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 03:30 | |||
hahahyaha! me again off topic, after George Harrison and bounce bits it reminded me of this another ahum bounce, bounce, ahum terireriretumtum ... nanahna nanana .... hihihi love this one too bounce! love the bass guitar break too! happy bounce
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Kati
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 03:22 | |||
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verslibre
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 03:10 | |||
It's going to take money A whole lot of spending money |
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Kati
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 03:02 | |||
This is good tho' not fab tho' just nice
common blues guitar tune here.
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Kati
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:58 | |||
Awww my pleasure really Versible, both Clapton in Prons and Cons of Hitchhiking and Jeff Beck in Amused to Death are brilliant albums, to be honest Gilmour solo albums didn't effect or touch me as much as these two.
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Kati
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:54 | |||
HAHAHAHA!!! I got mind set on you, hahaha Versible to do it, to do it, to it hahahaha I got my mind set on you hahaha!! I actually like that song and the gagum gagum guitar tune too and the sax hihihihi sorry but I do hahaha!! :) xxxx hugs
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verslibre
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:49 | |||
Aww, thank you so much, Kati! Yeah, Clapton wails like a mutha on P&C. Too bad he didn't do the whole tour. What do you think of Gilmour's solo albums?
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verslibre
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Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:47 | |||
How about George Harrison's "Got My Mind Set On You"?
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