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Posted: November 25 2014 at 10:20
SteveG wrote:
I think I have to defer to my previous post to clarify this posted question. If neo-prog is defined as "Neo-Genesis" by everyone in the rock media world, then how can Genesis be neo-prog? Simply stated, how can the originator also be a follower?
Steve, I believe the correct terminology for "after-Gabriel, Collins/Trick influenced prog bands" would be Post-primal, neo-natal pseudo-Genesis. Or P2N2PG, acronmally speaking.
Edited by The Dark Elf - November 25 2014 at 10:20
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Posted: November 25 2014 at 11:46
SteveG wrote:
I think the problem, and confusion, with the term neo-prog is that it's come to represent bands that are 'Neo-Genesis'. In other words, prog bands that formed in the eighties and were heavily influenced or almost totally influenced by Genesis. Even PA's definition of neo-prog says as much. The fine details seem to be exactly when the term came into being, which I always felt was a snub to eighties bands like Solstice, who couldn't be more different from Genesis if they tried. (The original version of the band did not even have a resident keyboard player! . That's how different they were. They were folk based, with a fiddle player and a shredding guitarist.)
So, I've always been a little unhappy with the term neo-prog, but it's all we have to work with.
Yea sadly most "Neo-Prog" bands sound like nothing more than "not Genesis" to me.
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Posted: November 25 2014 at 12:59
I think ATOTT in particular is definitely quite like Marillion/Neo-Prog, but really a predecessor. Script For A Jester's Tear is the first and best entirely neo-prog album.
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Posted: November 25 2014 at 13:10
Roland113 wrote:
I've always regarded 'Entangled' as the first real Neoprog song but to call "A Trick of the Tail" the first Neo album is a bit of a stretch.
So much of a stretch, indeed, that it would be a member of The Fantastic Four.
The whole notion of Genesis being a Neo prog band is preposterous. At the risk of repeating myself endlessly, all neo Prog was was another name for the new wave of Prog that started in England in the '80's, influenced primarily by, but not exclusively, Genesis and Yes.
It is no more possible for Genesis to be a neo prog band than it is for me to be a calf rearing mastodon.
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Posted: November 25 2014 at 14:16
The Dark Elf wrote:
SteveG wrote:
I think I have to defer to my previous post to clarify this posted question. If neo-prog is defined as "Neo-Genesis" by everyone in the rock media world, then how can Genesis be neo-prog? Simply stated, how can the originator also be a follower?
Steve, I believe the correct terminology for "after-Gabriel, Collins/Trick influenced prog bands" would be Post-primal, neo-natal pseudo-Genesis. Or P2N2PG, acronmally speaking.
Ha Ha.
Unfortunately Greg, I didn't come up with the term 'neo-prog'. I can only comment on it's short comings and try to explain it's meaning the best I can without making this inclusive term even more inclusive then it already is.
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Posted: November 25 2014 at 14:49
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Posted: November 25 2014 at 14:54
SteveG wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
SteveG wrote:
I think I have to defer to my previous post to clarify this posted question. If neo-prog is defined as "Neo-Genesis" by everyone in the rock media world, then how can Genesis be neo-prog? Simply stated, how can the originator also be a follower?
Steve, I believe the correct terminology for "after-Gabriel, Collins/Trick influenced prog bands" would be Post-primal, neo-natal pseudo-Genesis. Or P2N2PG, acronmally speaking.
Ha Ha. Unfortunately Greg, I didn't come up with the term 'neo-prog'. I can only comment on it's short comings and try to explain it's meaning the best I can without making this inclusive term even more inclusive then it already is.
"Neo-prog" is a rather goofy term. There is really nothing new about it, except for the digitally sterile sound that permeates much of it.
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Posted: November 25 2014 at 15:56
Sorry SteveG, that was actually directed at Steve Lazland's 'calf rearing mastodon' comment, I couldn't actually find any suitable pictured of mastodon's herding cattle so I went with that.
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Posted: November 29 2014 at 17:23
I don't go along with ATOTT or W&W as Neo. However, Second Home By the Sea always struck me as having a Neo quality, and by that time they were kind of imitating themselves (sporadically for the purpose of placating what old fans there were left) the way Neo imitated them.
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Posted: November 29 2014 at 18:40
HackettFan wrote:
I don't go along with ATOTT or W&W as Neo. However, Second Home By the Sea always struck me as having a Neo quality, and by that time they were kind of imitating themselves (sporadically for the purpose of placating what old fans there were left) the way Neo imitated them.
Interesting way to put it but there is much truth in it.
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Posted: November 29 2014 at 20:41
HackettFan wrote:
However, Second Home By the Sea always struck me as having a Neo quality, and by that time they were kind of imitating themselves (sporadically for the purpose of placating what old fans there were left) the way Neo imitated them.
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