Round 1 Rome Bracket: Uriah Heep v. TMV

micky wrote: Kazza3 wrote: Where are you, Volta fans?! I don't ever remember a large fanclub for the group ever really taking hold here. It always seemed to be a bit of a love 'em or leave em' kind of group.  Not haters per se but definitely an acquired taste. Then again Uriah Heep can be seen in the Camel mold of prog groups.  Good band with some good albums but in all honesty can be described as a good example of 2nd division prog. Nothing particularly ground breaking or exceptional but very competent.  It is about what I figured it might be. A close vote.

This result proves quite clearly that prog fans in the second decade of the 21st century have become much more mainstream-oriented than they used to be when the movement first started. In the Seventies, progressive rock was about daring and innovation, not necessarily abut nice music that caresses our collective ears. While TMV are definitely an acquired taste, and were not the most consistent of bands by any means, it is hard to deny their influence on many modern prog bands (just listen to Thank You Scientist if you need any further proof). As I said in my post of a few days ago, I do like UH, but there is absolutely no comparison between the two bands in terms of progressiveness.

Raff wrote: This result proves quite clearly that prog fans in the second decade of the 21st century have become much more mainstream-oriented than they used to be when the movement first started.

A less than 10% voting difference across 51 people and without a similar measurement from 10 years ago proves no such thing. Or does it?

Edited by Angelo - December 13 2014 at 07:09

this version of July is even better :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs hugs

Angelo wrote: Raff wrote: This result proves quite clearly that prog fans in the second decade of the 21st century have become much more mainstream-oriented than they used to be when the movement first started. A less than 10% voting difference across 51 people and without a similar measurement from 10 years ago proves no such thing. Or does it?

I'd like to believe that is all there is to it.  But a discussion couple of days back or so on another thread with Toaster Mantis where he said new prog metal has a kind of retro orientation rather than the out of box stuff that was accepted few years back, makes me consider the possibility that there's more to it than that.  It may be that prog preferences are pretty streamlined now as opposed to seeking out something eclectic or more experimental.  I am not judging whether it's a good or a bad thing because it's all music, but this change does surprise me.  Maybe I shouldn't be surprised because I remember a few years a metal fan was asking for recommendations like Phideaux which he thought was good stuff to chill out. And I thought, what an odd reason to listen to prog.  But that may be the prevailing fashion now and this poll does suggest a preference for something in the comfort zone rather than out of it.  TMV don't really polarise as much as DT.  Another possibility is with their break up, some of their fans lost interest in prog altogether and have stopped coming to the forum.

Edited by rogerthat - December 13 2014 at 07:44

I am not saying you, or anybody else for that  matter, have to like TMV just because they are more experimental etc. But I do remember a time not so long ago when they were one of the hottest bands on PA, and probably in prog as such too, especially with PT reaching a dead end.  Hotter than say Haken were around 2012-13.  So it's kind of staggering if all those fans have disappeared.  

Edited by rogerthat - December 13 2014 at 09:41

Kati wrote: Uriah Heep with Ken Hensley and David Byron era? Without these two it's a completely different band really.

Kati wrote: Please do post song suggestions for us to listen, I think this is a good expressive way to make us hear and understand why too? :) xxx

Ok.  Warning you beforehand, though, that they can be very difficult to get into initially. I wondered initially what the frickin' deal was supposed to be until it 'clicked'.



By the by, just noticed that Deloused in a Comatorium has 967 ratings.  That's nearly double of Salisbury.  That's what I am referring to. Even Frances The Mute comfortably has more ratings than Salisbury and both albums have an average rating of above 4.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Kati wrote: Uriah Heep with Ken Hensley and David Byron era? Without these two it's a completely different band really. Hi my dear cheerleader. Add Gary Thain, the most underrated bass player in Rock history (John Wetton replaced him and being a great bassist, couldn't fill his shoes), a real genius until he was electrocuted on stage and never was the same. Iván