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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2015 at 10:20
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Yes, that's true. The Elevators were not even popular on America's east coast in the sixties let alone Europe.
 
Americans who actually stated that they were into Roky included American Pre Punks and Punks Tom Verlaine, Patty Smith and Henry Rollins in the 70's. Rollins even paid for Roky's dentures once. God bless him.
 
Btw, there is an impressive Swedish fansite (Roky Erickson, The Swedish fan page) if you can read Swedish! 


I usually count 13FE as the kind of group that's more influential than popular, they're probably a better example than Velvet Underground. It does seem like 13FE are way more popular with punks, who regard them as garage-rock forerunners, than with psych-rock fans. I find this somewhat odd, as their esoteric philosophical lyrics are like a 180 degree opposite from punk's general lyrical focus on real life concerns.

I'll look out for that fansite by the way. I can read Swedish somewhat well, it's closely related to Danish.
Yes, 13EF were definitely more influential with punks because of the garage rock sound, their attitude and a few songs like Monkey Island from the first album that blasted social conventions like having wearing a suit to work for the most inane of jobs like a soda jerk.
 
Others who claimed immediate influence were Janis Joplin who copped Roky's vocal style and Big Brother and the Holding Company who went toward a blues rock sound with Joplin. Another affected was Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top who went blues rock as well as his past band The Moving Sidewalks whose mix of studio effects psychedelic blues seemed to anticipate sounds on Jimi Hendrix's Axis: Bold as Love album which came out months later.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2015 at 10:04
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Try H.P. Lovecraft's Dreams in the Witch House: The Complete Philips Recordings (2005)
 
All the great original psych tunes like At the Mountain of Madness, Electrollentando, Mobius Trip, White Ship and Wayfaring Stranger.
 
9 out of 10 acidheads prefer  H.P. Lovecraft over generic, commercial psychedelic music.
 
Thanks for the tip on Dreams In The Wictchhouse, Greg. My earlier CD's sound like crap so I'll check out this 2005 compilation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2015 at 04:21
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Yes, that's true. The Elevators were not even popular on America's east coast in the sixties let alone Europe.
 
Americans who actually stated that they were into Roky included American Pre Punks and Punks Tom Verlaine, Patty Smith and Henry Rollins in the 70's. Rollins even paid for Roky's dentures once. God bless him.
 
Btw, there is an impressive Swedish fansite (Roky Erickson, The Swedish fan page) if you can read Swedish! 


I usually count 13FE as the kind of group that's more influential than popular, they're probably a better example than Velvet Underground. It does seem like 13FE are way more popular with punks, who regard them as garage-rock forerunners, than with psych-rock fans. I find this somewhat odd, as their esoteric philosophical lyrics are like a 180 degree opposite from punk's general lyrical focus on real life concerns.

I'll look out for that fansite by the way. I can read Swedish somewhat well, it's closely related to Danish.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2015 at 21:15
Try H.P. Lovecraft's Dreams in the Witch House: The Complete Philips Recordings (2005)
 
All the great original psych tunes like At the Mountain of Madness, Electrollentando, Mobius Trip, White Ship and Wayfaring Stranger.
 
9 out of 10 acidheads prefer  H.P. Lovecraft over generic, commercial psychedelic music.
 
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The 13th Floor Elevators.
Headstone: The Contact Sessions
Charly Records (U.K.) 2010 Single CD standard issue hard cover mini booklet.
 
When Chary reissue producer Paul Drummond found himself out of luck in recovering any multi track recording masters for The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators, he was surprised to find that the band's first recordings at Walt Andrus small Huston, Texas studio (now called Wire Studio) were not only still in existence but that International Artists, who had picked up the locally successful single You're Gonna Miss Me and widely distributed it in 1966, had a digital copy of the Andrus' mono safety master.
 
These are not the same recordings which were redone at Gold Star  Studios in Huston, Texas for the Psychedelic Sounds album (that also included four new songs). However, the takes of You're Gonna Miss Me c/w Tried to Hide were taken from these sessions and are featured on the Psychedelic Sounds album.
 
Except for four songs (Kingdom Of Heaven, You Don't Know, Don't Fall Down and Reverberation), this material was initially slated for an album release by a company affiliated with Andrus called Contact Records before the tiny company ran out of cash.
 
Included on this special issue from 2010 is a remaster of the Contact sessions, which has  excellent sound quality despite the nature and age of the source recording tapes, as well as outtakes which include a properly mixed master of You're Gonna Miss Me with Roky's lead and Tommy Hall's backing vocals out front in the sound mix (awesome) as well as great covers of Somebody to Love and a cool take on Buddy Holly's regional hit I'm Gonna Love You Too.
 
Drummond even threw in four poor sounding live cuts as they're believed to never have been bootlegged. No wonder!
 
For the record, the Elevators at this point consisted of Roky Erickson, rhythm guitar and vocals, Stacy Sutherland, lead guitar, John Ike Walton, drums, Tommy Hall, jug and backing vocals,  and Benny Thurman on bass. (Thurman was shortly replaced by Ronnie Leatherman for the Huston Psychedelic Sounds sessions.)
Charly's special issue of Headstone: The Contact Sessions coupled with their double disc reissue of The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators  is an immersion experience into the Elevators' first album that Pink Floyd would be envious of. And that's all for now on the Elevators' seminal debut album. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2015 at 14:31
Yes, that's true. The Elevators were not even popular on America's east coast in the sixties let alone Europe.
 
Americans who actually stated that they were into Roky included American Pre Punks and Punks Tom Verlaine, Patty Smith and Henry Rollins in the 70's. Rollins even paid for Roky's dentures once. God bless him.
 
Btw, there is an impressive Swedish fansite (Roky Erickson, The Swedish fan page) if you can read Swedish! 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2015 at 13:38
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^Yes TM, Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators was only regionally popular, mainly to South California and Texas of course, and was reported to have sold no more than 40,000 copies on release in 1966 and did not even make the Billboard record charts.
 
The claims that the band influenced everything from early punk, modern alternate rock to Robert Plant's vocals always seemed way overstated to me. I just get satisfaction of knowing that the Elevators did a lot of things first regardless of who or what they were said to have influenced.


I do get the impression that 13FE and Roky Erickson in general are much more popular in America than in Europe. The only other Erickson fans I've met are some people in the local punk scene here in Copenhagen who have fairly obscure taste in music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2015 at 10:46
Bigelf
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Into the Maelstrom
 
I have to give a shout out to these heavy proggers as ITM sounds like a space rock journey as the band kidnap Mike Portnoy and go time traveling. Bigelf truly are the dark Beatles from an alternate universe!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2015 at 10:17
^Yes TM, Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators was only regionally popular, mainly to South California and Texas of course, and was reported to have sold no more than 40,000 copies on release in 1966 and did not even make the Billboard record charts.
 
The claims that the band influenced everything from early punk, modern alternate rock to Robert Plant's vocals always seemed way overstated to me. I just get satisfaction of knowing that the Elevators did a lot of things first regardless of who or what they were said to have influenced.
 
It's only been within the last 15 years that both Psychedelic Sounds  and it's follow up Easter Everywhere have come to be critically regarded by everyone from Allmusic's Rock Record Guide, Q  and Uncut to Rolling Stone Magazine as American rock essentials.
 
The live Spades' material on your album might be available on a U.S. reissue called Gremlins Have Pictures.
 
I will definitely check it out.  


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2015 at 04:52
The reissue of that album which I own has bonus tracks of Roky Erickson's pre-Elevators band The Spades. I think it's a live recording with half the setlist consisting of old blues/folk standards, if I remember correctly. It's not exactly what I'd call essential, but an interesting curio for people interested in how the first psychedelia evolved out of "normal" rock music.

For the record I get the impression that the Elevators are one of those music groups who are more influential than popular to this day, I had never even heard of them until reading a book about psychedelic rock's history yet apparently they were an influence on not just the Southwestern US psych-scene but also European acts like Pink Floyd in the early days. Interstellar Overdrive's a pretty obvious homage to Roller Coaster for example.

Apparently the band was poised to get really big at the same time as a combination of Erickson's drug arrests and mental health problems forced them to disband?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2014 at 11:46
The 13th Floor Elevators
 
The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators
Charly Records (U.K.) double CD standard hard cover booklet reissue.  
 
The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevatorsrecorded and released in 1966, is not a great psychedelic rock album or a great hard rock album. And it's as certainly as far from prog rock as you can get. The album is simply a great mid sixties American rock album that was performed by amateurs and recorded, mixed, and mastered by amateurs. The band were proponents of LSD and did have suggestive lyrics that tried to emulate the experience of an LSD high and the enlightenment that the use of this drug offered. What amazes me personally  is that the band recorded this album under the influence of LSD or the more potent DMT as was  actually able to make coherent music. According to the Elevators' biographer and album reissue producer for Charly Records U.K., Paul Drummond, this is what has fascinated him about the group for decades and the man has gone to extraordinary lengths to find every available decent sounding tape source, acetates and when he had to, original vinyl.
 
The mixing and mastering of Psychedelic sounds... was done in a rough shod manor with heavy echo and reverb heavily plastered over the bulk of the songs and the album was cheaply mastered to vinyl to offer nothing more than a foggy dense soup of sound that diminished highs, muddy up bass and rendered Roky Erickson's vocals only half audible or partly faded. The previously release singles You're Gonna Miss Me, Reverberation and their two B sides were spared some of the heavier applied reverb, but heavy echo was still applied.
 
The common wisdom is that the record's producer, not the band who were touring in San Francisco,  who applied  the exaggerated eho and reverb that the band themselves requested for the eerie song Kingdom of Heaven, thought it would have been a great idea if it was applied to the who album.
 
There's no crime with an independent show string low budget label (International Artists of Texas) making a decision like that at the time.
 
Again, we are talking about amateurs. The crime is that none of the original multi track session masters still exist so that the album can be remixed, restored and remastered, as is common practice in the modern recorded music world.
 
Charly's double CD 2010 remaster includes a mono mux of the album that was pain staking to remaster as all surface noice like scratches and pops had to be digitally removed and the album re EQ'ed the best the could as reverse mastering sound is only possible to a certain extent.
 
The second CD contains a remaster of the only surviving stereo safety master with an uneven sound mix and the echo and reverb applied. Again, Charly and Drummond did fantastic work to clean up tape noise and make a presentable album.
 
To drive the point home, Drummond was able to locate original engineer Bill Sullivan's better balanced original stereo reference mixes devoid of any added tape echo or reverb on the following five tracks: Roller Coaster, Thru the Rhythm, Fire Engine, Tried to Hide and Monkey Island.
 
These few reference mixes show what the album could have sounded like with Roky's vocals and Sutherland's guitar for more prominent and the drums centered in the sound mix. Drummer John Walton's heavy handed ride cymbal is still loud in the mix for Tried to Hide but without the added echo so that it no longer sounds like an annoying cow bell from outer space.
 
It's these glimpses of what the Elevators' actually sounded like and how articulate Roky's vocals were, even with all his banshee wailing, (God bless him) is what makes this album so much more impressive.
 
As I stated, if you're looking for heavy psych or prog, you will not find it here. But if you're looking for good Americna rock produced in the mid sixties that is a cross between Blues rock, the Kinks, heavily reverbed guitars that owe much to Dick Dale  and  his California surf sound all tied together with a vocalist that is a equal parts James Brown and Little Richard, then you've come to the right place.
 
Next time I'll take a look Chary's cache of Elevator masters that were recorded prior to Psychedelic Sounds... and actually were actually used for the singles You're Gonna Miss Me and Reverberation, on the 2010 Charly compilation Headstone: The Contact Sessions.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2014 at 14:48
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The Oscillation

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Tried this one last night. Just killer. Like Bauhaus gone dark psych. I'm loving it.
I thought you would like this one Lear, it's pretty awesome.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2014 at 14:43
 
 
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Though I like those 2 Elevator albums ..I'm not as enamored of them as you are. I always thought they sounded a bit rough around the edges and some of the tracks just weren't that good.
At any rate this is the Roky collection I have on cd.
Youre Gonna Miss Me: The Best Of Roky Erickson
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I'm with you Doc as to the Elevators' rough sound on those two albums and I'd like to explain why they sounded that way when I can find the time.
I've never heard the best of album that you have, but from the title I'm guessing it's a mix of Elevators and Roky solo songs.


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The Oscillation

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Tried this one last night. Just killer. Like Bauhaus gone dark psych. I'm loving it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2014 at 10:07
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13th Floor Elevators
Live Evolution Lost
Live Evolution Lost
 
It's impossible to examine the 13th Floor Elevators' two seminal albums, the dated revved up 'turn on' driving rock of The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators and it's radically different quieter, poetic, esoteric and time transcending follow up Easter Everywhere, without considering the band's many contexts that they inhabited from 1965 to 1967.
 
A few for example were their isolation in and detention in Texas following drug busts, paranoia resulting from same and their own heavy intake of hallucinogenic drugs. 
 
Live Evolution Lost is a recent unearthing of the groups February 1967 concert at the newly built Huston Music Theater. This concert has previously turned up on bootlegs over the years and is famous (infamous) for the fact that Elevators' lead guitarist Stacy Sotherland dropped a large dose of acid before the show and was tripping out of his mind.
 
The sound quality of this concert recording is poor and really should have stayed in storage where it belonged. However,  it is a gem for die hard Elevator fans as they will scoop up any rare releases that feature the band.
 
I can only find interest in knowing that this concert took place directly before The Elevators recorded Easter Everywhere at the end of February 1967, so it helps to put the bands output into context. As to the sound quality, give this one a pass.
 
I will deconstruct both The Psychedelic Sounds... And Easter Everywhere albums in later posts as time allows as both require a fair bit of exposition to get at the heart of their appeal and importance.
 
Though I like those 2 Elevator albums ..I'm not as enamored of them as you are. I always thought they sounded a bit rough around the edges and some of the tracks just weren't that good.
At any rate this is the Roky collection I have on cd.
Youre Gonna Miss Me: The Best Of Roky Erickson
 


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I love Small Faces, Traffic, Love, Youngbloods...
Some great music on Country Joe & The Fish' Electronic Music For The Mind And Body.  "Section 43" on that album may be my favorite track in the genre. Thus far, because there is so much to discover...
There are many obscure bands in the genre that only released only one album.
Many of them quite good!
 
I agree...I love the old classic psych bands and as you pointed out there are quite a few one hit wonders who did some nice tracks. Many of those can be found on the various psych rock compilations.
The 'modern' psych rock bands are interesting but many don't have that same retro quality that I like.
 
 
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13th Floor Elevators
Live Evolution Lost
Live Evolution Lost
Charly Records (U.K.) double CD hard cover booklet standard issue
 
It's impossible to examine the 13th Floor Elevators' two seminal albums, the dated revved up 'turn on' driving rock of The Psychedelic Sounds of the 13th Floor Elevators and it's radically different quieter, poetic, esoteric and time transcending follow up Easter Everywhere, without considering the band's many contexts that they inhabited from 1965 to 1967.
 
A few for example were their isolation in and detention in Texas following drug busts, paranoia resulting from same and their own heavy intake of hallucinogenic drugs. 
 
Live Evolution Lost is a recent unearthing of the groups February 1967 concert at the newly built Huston Music Theater. This concert has previously turned up on bootlegs over the years and is famous (infamous) for the fact that Elevators' lead guitarist Stacy Sutherland dropped a large dose of acid before the show and was tripping out of his mind.
 
The sound quality of this concert recording is poor and really should have stayed in storage where it belonged. However,  it is a gem for die hard Elevator fans as they will scoop up any rare releases that feature the band.
 
I can only find interest in knowing that this concert took place directly before The Elevators recorded Easter Everywhere at the end of February 1967, so it helps to put the bands output into context. As to the sound quality, give this one a pass.
 
I will deconstruct both The Psychedelic Sounds... And Easter Everywhere albums in later posts as time allows as both require a fair bit of exposition to get at the heart of their appeal and importance.


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^Country Joe and the Fish did release a few albums after Electric Music for the Mind like I-Feel-Like-I'm -Fixing-to Day-Rag and Together, but they were more politically charged and the psych elements took a book seat to the concerns of the counter culture.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2014 at 14:58
I love Small Faces, Traffic, Love, Youngbloods...
Some great music on Country Joe & The Fish' Electronic Music For The Mind And Body.  "Section 43" on that album may be my favorite track in the genre. Thus far, because there is so much to discover...
There are many obscure bands in the genre that only released only one album.
Many of them quite good!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2014 at 14:41
The Oscillation

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Another English neo-psych band with a more progressive bent and darker Krautrock soundscapes that reference
Can and Neu!, with echos of space rock with a raw punk edge at times. The music has an existential  vibe similar to The Flaming Lips' Embrionic and The Terror albums as the vocals are low in the sound mix and and intermittent. The Oscillation are definitely not as upbeat as Schnauser so their darker sound might be an acquired taste. 
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