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Topic: The Best of the 21st Century So Far Posted: January 12 2015 at 06:50 |
First of all, I apologize if there is already a thread about the same topic. I tried to run a search - to no avail.
As the past 15 years have seen a resurgence of progressive rock (and progressive music in general), I am curious to know which albums PA members consider as milestones of this particular period, in any of the subgenres listed here. Personally, I have a few ideas, but I will have to think it over a bit, as there has been so much great music released since the beginning of the century that is often hard to choose.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 07:22 |
The more I think of it the more I consider this to be a very difficult question. Prog has become so fractured and diverse in the last 20-25 years, and with the retro side of it so damn strong, that it's almost impossible to pick albums out that have been massively influentel and helped to drive the genre forward. The impression I have is that on the whole it tends to creep forward by taking bits and pieces from all over and adding to whats all ready there, slowly changing piece by piece without really having one album, or selection of albums, that can be identified as a game changer. Metal would be one of the few areas I could point to some such albums though:
Isis- Oceanic: Probably where the Post Metal genre fully formed alongisde Cult of Luna's Salvation and Pelican's The Fire in Our Throats Will Beccon the Thaw Between the Buried and Me- Alaska: One of the first attempts to mix Metalcore and Prog and by far the most successful of the early attempts. Weakling- Dead as Dreams: The first album in the Atmospheric Black Metal genre, fairly obscure but directly resonsible for bands like Wolves in the Throne Room, Negura Bunget, Drudkh, Alcest, Fen, Thy Catafalque, Altar of Plagues etc Enslaved- Isa: The other side of the Black Metal coin for prog.
Of course if your looking for what I would consider to be the absolute best albums of the last 15 years then thats a different list.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 07:42 |
Raff wrote:
First of all, I apologize if there is already a thread about the same topic. I tried to run a search - to no avail.
As the past 15 years have seen a resurgence of progressive rock (and progressive music in general), I am curious to know which albums PA members consider as milestones of this particular period, in any of the subgenres listed here. Personally, I have a few ideas, but I will have to think it over a bit, as there has been so much great music released since the beginning of the century that is often hard to choose.
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All the sub-genres listed on PA are currently litmus tests for the Prog credentials of artist submissions received from the site members. This may or may not be consistent with the future aims of the site. For me, credible Prog ceased circa 1979-80 so I'm intrigued that like many other PA members, you appear to believe without demur that progressive rock and progressive music in general continues to be reflected in the roster of artists admitted to our archive from 2000 onwards. If this is so, would it not suggest that PA is no longer a Prog Rock archive but is really a progressive music appreciation site?
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 08:26 |
^It seems that PA's been a progressive music appreciation site for many a moon, Ian. However, I don't feel that that position dilutes PA. In fact, that makes the site accessible to a broader range of people that don't have an appreciation site for a bands like Gojira and the like.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 09:56 |
Interpreting "milestones" as simply "really awesome albums", I think this should be a fairly uncontroversial topic. Maybe best to set aside the questions of which albums pushed music forward the most, and whether or not those albums should be on PA.
I'll get back to ya on this. Food for thought.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 10:42 |
Yeah, going with "really awesome albums from 2000 onwards", I'll say these with 5 star masterpieces in bold and the rest a good 4.5 from me:
Symphony X- V: The New Mythology Suite, Iconoclast Transatlantic- SMPTe IQ- The Seventh House, The Road of Bones Madder Mortem- All Flesh is Grass, Deadlands maudlin of the Well- Bath, Leaving Your Body Map, Part the Second Opeth- Blackwater Park Pain of Salvation- The Perfect Element, 12:5, Remedy Lane, BE Sigh- Imaginary Sonicscape, In Somniphobia Porcupine Tree- In Absentia In the Woods....- Liveatthecaledonianhall Kayo Dot- Choirs of the Eye, Blue Lambency Downward, Coyote, Hubardo, Coffins on Io The Mars Volta- De Loused in the Commatorium, Amputechture, The Bedlam in Goliath Muse- Absolution, Black Holes and Revelations Nemo- Presages, Si Partie I, Si Partie II Virgin Black- Elegant... and Dying, Requiem Mezzo Forte Cult of Luna- Salvation, Somewhere Along the Highway Disillusion- Back to Times of Splendor, Gloria Enslaved- Isa, Ruun Far Corner- s/t The Gathering- Sleepy Buildings Guapo- Five Suns, Black Oni Isis- Wavering Radient Marillion- Marbles Paatos- Timeloss Peccatum- Lost in Reverie Virus- Carheart White Willow- Storm Season, Terminal Twilight Indukti- SUSAR Ram-Zet- Intra Sieges Even- The Art of Navigating by the Stars Drudkh- Blood in Our Wells, Microcosmos Ellipsis- Imperial Tzadik Hiromi- Spiral Gijira- From Mars to Sirius, The Way of All Flesh NeBeLNeST- Zepto OOIOO- Taiga Protst the Hero- Kezia Sikth- Death of a Dead Day Unexpect- In a Flesh Aquarium, Fables of the Sleepless Empire Between the Buried and Me- Colors, The Great Misdirect, The Parrallaz II: Future Sequence Canvas Solaris- Cortical Tectonics, The Atomized Dream Deathspell Omega- Fas--Ite, Maledicti, In Ignem Aeternum; Paracletus Epica- The Divine Conspiracy The Pax Cecilia- Blessed are the Bonds Riverside- Rapid Eye Movement, Anno Domine High Definition Yakuza- Transmutations, Of Seismic Consequence Birds and Buildings- Bantom to Bohemoth Burst- Lazarus Bird Cynic- Traced in Air Dark Suns- Grave Human Genuine Intronaut- Prehistoricisms, Valley of Smoke Saena- s/t Sculptured- Embodiment To-Mera- Delusions, Exile Delue Grander- The Form of the Good Diablo Swing Orchestra- Sing Along Songs for the Damned and Delerious Fen- The Malediction Field, Epoch, Dustwalker Giant Squid- The Icthyologist Karnivool- Sound Awake Mastodon- Crack the Skye Thy Catafalque- Roka Hasa Radio Wobbler- Afterglow Ihsahn- After In Lingua Mortua- Sona des Refuses Rolo Tomassi- Cosmology Universe Zero- Clivages hAND- Breathing Leprous- Bilateral Sub Rosa- No Help for the Mighty Ones Tartar Lamb II- Polyimage of Known Exits Frequency Drift- ...Laid to Rest, Over Headspace- I Am Anonymous Vaura- Selenelion
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 10:44 |
Milestones eh?
I'd say you could make an argument for most of these:
Ulver - Perdition City Porcupine Tree - In Absentia NIL - Nil Novo Sub Sole Kayo Dot - Choirs Of The Eye (Not too fond of it myself, but I hear it's innovative powers quite clearly) Vespero - By The Waters Of Tomorrow The Gourishankar - 2nd Hands ZU - Carboniferous Cabezas de Cera - Metalmusica - Aleaciones Aleatorias Grails - Burning Off Impurities Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden - Structure et Force Thinking Plague - A History Of Madness Polytoxicomane Philharmonie - Psycho Erectus Godspeed - Pimp Your Jimmy Mits Guapo - 5 Suns Swans - The Seer The Mars Volta - Deloused In The Comatorium Don Caballero - American Don Secret Chiefs 3 - Book M Dungen - 4 Bark Psychosis - Dustsucker Russian Circles - Enter
Some I chose because they were part of establishing an entirely new scene/sound such as Godspeed and Bark Psychosis - the latter credited for having one of the first post rock albums under it's belt in 'Hex', but it is with Codename: Dustsucker they perfected the sound. Others because they revitalised a scene by bringing in entirely new and fresh approaches to the mix. Here I'm thinking of Kayo Dot and The Gourishankar in particularly. Dungen? Hmmmm yeah.....erm.... They're just so damn awesome Nobody sounds like them, not really. Tame Impala overtly copied the style but they lack the ferociousness of the Swedes...and then obviously that unique summer morning feel there is to everything they touch.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 11:01 |
Oh my Frish, milestones ..
I wanted to say Viljans Öga, which certainly was a milestone for me. I list it under contemporary classical, not really prog, so it's a "contemporary classical/symphonic milestone of the 21st century". I was very much impressed by Andromeda Mega Express Orchestra, but I don't even know if they are listed on PA. Probably not. To me, they are a milestone development of the 'progressive big band' style.
I was also very pleased with the way Jaga Jazzist have evolved in the past several years. In their personal evolution, their latest with Britten Sinfonia is a milestone.
My greatest personal discovery was Impossible Ark, which is not a band, but rather a collective of London-based musicians of different backgrounds, with Riaan Vosloo and Benedict Lamden at their center of gravity
Nil Recurring is everything I need from Ms. Wilson; in this sense it's a milestone, of sorts?
Hiromi Uehara and Jeremy Pelt have come up with what I consider milestone "fusion" of the 21st century.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 14:02 |
SteveG wrote:
^It seems that PA's been a progressive music appreciation site for many a moon, Ian. However, I don't feel that that position dilutes PA. In fact, that makes the site accessible to a broader range of people that don't have an appreciation site for a bands like Gojira and the like.
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OK, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing either but I just wish that the site would 'come clean' and admit as much i.e. change the name to avoid confusion and end the hypocrisy of continuing to expect the genre teams to implement an admissions policy designed solely to establish an artist's Prog quotient. It's hardly 'splitting hairs' to expect the contents to be consistent with what's written on the tin is it? We both know that this is never gonna happen because once PA acknowledges itself as a progressive music appreciation site (c/f Prog Rock archive), the infrastructure will simply collapse under the deluge of strays clamoring at our flimsy catflap... (Think I over cooked the feline metaphors there a tad... )
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 14:10 |
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 15:11 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
SteveG wrote:
^It seems that PA's been a progressive music appreciation site for many a moon, Ian. However, I don't feel that that position dilutes PA. In fact, that makes the site accessible to a broader range of people that don't have an appreciation site for a bands like Gojira and the like.
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OK, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing either but I just wish that the site would 'come clean' and admit as much i.e. change the name to avoid confusion and end the hypocrisy of continuing to expect the genre teams to implement an admissions policy designed solely to establish an artist's Prog quotient. It's hardly 'splitting hairs' to expect the contents to be consistent with what's written on the tin is it? We both know that this is never gonna happen because once PA acknowledges itself as a progressive music appreciation site (c/f Prog Rock archive), the infrastructure will simply collapse under the deluge of strays clamoring at our flimsy catflap...
(Think I over cooked the feline metaphors there a tad...)
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Or that there's plenty of people that just disagree with you and see no point in such a pointless change.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 15:12 |
^That's vintage Ian, Sleeper!
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 18:23 |
HolyMoly wrote:
Interpreting "milestones" as simply "really awesome albums", I think this should be a fairly uncontroversial topic. Maybe best to set aside the questions of which albums pushed music forward the most, and whether or not those albums should be on PA.
I'll get back to ya on this. Food for thought.
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Thank you, Steve, for expressing in clearer words what I probably botched. This will teach me to post threads just before I have to leave for work, without thinking over every single word to avoid being misunderstood. Indeed, what I meant was "really awesome albums", and my main purpose in asking this was to encourage people (myself included) to explore the great music produced in the first 14 years of this century. My reference to PA subgenres was merely instrumental, though I see I should have specified that being included in the database was not necessary. In any case, I never intended this thread to turn into a discussion on the direction PA should take. When I decided to come back to the forums a few months ago, after a four-year absence, it was not in order to try to change the way this site works. My one and only purpose is to spread the word about new music worth listening to, not to question whether prog still exists, or whatever other quasi-philosophical issue some people want to talk about.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 19:19 |
sleeper wrote:
Yeah, going with "really awesome albums from 2000 onwards", I'll say these with 5 star masterpieces in bold and the rest a good 4.5 from me:
Symphony X- V: The New Mythology Suite, Iconoclast Transatlantic- SMPTe IQ- The Seventh House, The Road of Bones Madder Mortem- All Flesh is Grass, Deadlands maudlin of the Well- Bath, Leaving Your Body Map, Part the Second Opeth- Blackwater Park Pain of Salvation- The Perfect Element, 12:5, Remedy Lane, BE Sigh- Imaginary Sonicscape, In Somniphobia Porcupine Tree- In Absentia In the Woods....- Liveatthecaledonianhall Kayo Dot- Choirs of the Eye, Blue Lambency Downward, Coyote, Hubardo, Coffins on Io The Mars Volta- De Loused in the Commatorium, Amputechture, The Bedlam in Goliath Muse- Absolution, Black Holes and Revelations Nemo- Presages, Si Partie I, Si Partie II Virgin Black- Elegant... and Dying, Requiem Mezzo Forte Cult of Luna- Salvation, Somewhere Along the Highway Disillusion- Back to Times of Splendor, Gloria Enslaved- Isa, Ruun Far Corner- s/t The Gathering- Sleepy Buildings Guapo- Five Suns, Black Oni Isis- Wavering Radient Marillion- Marbles Paatos- Timeloss Peccatum- Lost in Reverie Virus- Carheart White Willow- Storm Season, Terminal Twilight Indukti- SUSAR Ram-Zet- Intra Sieges Even- The Art of Navigating by the Stars Drudkh- Blood in Our Wells, Microcosmos Ellipsis- Imperial Tzadik Hiromi- Spiral Gijira- From Mars to Sirius, The Way of All Flesh NeBeLNeST- Zepto OOIOO- Taiga Protst the Hero- Kezia Sikth- Death of a Dead Day Unexpect- In a Flesh Aquarium, Fables of the Sleepless Empire Between the Buried and Me- Colors, The Great Misdirect, The Parrallaz II: Future Sequence Canvas Solaris- Cortical Tectonics, The Atomized Dream Deathspell Omega- Fas--Ite, Maledicti, In Ignem Aeternum; Paracletus Epica- The Divine Conspiracy The Pax Cecilia- Blessed are the Bonds Riverside- Rapid Eye Movement, Anno Domine High Definition Yakuza- Transmutations, Of Seismic Consequence Birds and Buildings- Bantom to Bohemoth Burst- Lazarus Bird Cynic- Traced in Air Dark Suns- Grave Human Genuine Intronaut- Prehistoricisms, Valley of Smoke Saena- s/t Sculptured- Embodiment To-Mera- Delusions, Exile Delue Grander- The Form of the Good Diablo Swing Orchestra- Sing Along Songs for the Damned and Delerious Fen- The Malediction Field, Epoch, Dustwalker Giant Squid- The Icthyologist Karnivool- Sound Awake Mastodon- Crack the Skye Thy Catafalque- Roka Hasa Radio Wobbler- Afterglow Ihsahn- After In Lingua Mortua- Sona des Refuses Rolo Tomassi- Cosmology Universe Zero- Clivages hAND- Breathing Leprous- Bilateral Sub Rosa- No Help for the Mighty Ones Tartar Lamb II- Polyimage of Known Exits Frequency Drift- ...Laid to Rest, Over Headspace- I Am Anonymous Vaura- Selenelion
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 19:26 |
^You should see how many albums I skipped over!
Raff wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
Interpreting "milestones" as simply "really awesome albums", I think this should be a fairly uncontroversial topic. Maybe best to set aside the questions of which albums pushed music forward the most, and whether or not those albums should be on PA.
I'll get back to ya on this. Food for thought.
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Thank you, Steve, for expressing in clearer words what I probably botched. This will teach me to post threads just before I have to leave for work, without thinking over every single word to avoid being misunderstood.
Indeed, what I meant was "really awesome albums", and my main purpose in asking this was to encourage people (myself included) to explore the great music produced in the first 14 years of this century. My reference to PA subgenres was merely instrumental, though I see I should have specified that being included in the database was not necessary.
In any case, I never intended this thread to turn into a discussion on the direction PA should take. When I decided to come back to the forums a few months ago, after a four-year absence, it was not in order to try to change the way this site works. My one and only purpose is to spread the word about new music worth listening to, not to question whether prog still exists, or whatever other quasi-philosophical issue some people want to talk about.
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Probably my fault for taking the word milestones too literally, and for some reason Ian seems to have been pushing the same point in every thread recently, as if the "prog vs progressive" debate hadn't been flogged to death already. Anyway, I hope you can find something of interest from my list.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 21:18 |
I see we have two of the same listed Ian 5 Suns and Book M. Consider this two official recommendations people! They're absolutely indispensable.
EDIT: Make that three with A History of Madness!
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 22:01 |
Raff wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
Interpreting "milestones" as simply "really awesome albums", I think this should be a fairly uncontroversial topic. Maybe best to set aside the questions of which albums pushed music forward the most, and whether or not those albums should be on PA.
I'll get back to ya on this. Food for thought.
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Thank you, Steve, for expressing in clearer words what I probably botched. This will teach me to post threads just before I have to leave for work, without thinking over every single word to avoid being misunderstood.
Indeed, what I meant was "really awesome albums", and my main purpose in asking this was to encourage people (myself included) to explore the great music produced in the first 14 years of this century. My reference to PA subgenres was merely instrumental, though I see I should have specified that being included in the database was not necessary.
In any case, I never intended this thread to turn into a discussion on the direction PA should take. When I decided to come back to the forums a few months ago, after a four-year absence, it was not in order to try to change the way this site works. My one and only purpose is to spread the word about new music worth listening to, not to question whether prog still exists, or whatever other quasi-philosophical issue some people want to talk about.
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I certainly didn't mean to derail the thread Raff but your OP simply triggered a few thoughts and it snowballed from there. Apologies if any perceived offence was taken.
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Posted: January 12 2015 at 22:03 |
Hmmm... I don't know from milestones (because the time for prog milestones was over 40 years ago), but offhand I would say I think these were important and great, and don't look silly sitting forlornly by themselves away from the rest of my record collection: Tool - Lateralus The Decemberists - Hazards of Love Kayo Dot - Dowsing Anemone with Copper Tongue Porcupine Tree - Fear of a Blank Planet Steven Wilson - The Raven That Refused to Sing Riverside - Second Life Syndrome Big, Big Train - English Electric, Part One Sigur Rós - Takk
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