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Points: 8625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 21:22
Originally posted by progpositivity progpositivity wrote:

I submit Brian Wilson's "Pet Sounds" as the first art-rock concept album. 

My two cents would be that Pet Sounds doesn't quite cut it as an out-and-out concept album, but that what musical and emotional uniformity there is on the record comes close, and I agree with the conclusions of most musicologists that the album did much to open the door to full on concept albums in pop and rock, and within a year even.
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Points: 1008 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2015 at 23:39
Originally posted by jacksiedanny jacksiedanny wrote:

It took a bit of digging but I now see NIRVANA Simon Simopath twee baroque popsike lp was released Oct '67.
 
You could have saved yourself some trouble by reading the rest of this thread.  I pointed this out on page 3.
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I know.
You should be humbled that I confirmed it.
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Originally posted by jacksiedanny jacksiedanny wrote:

Freakout is not prog. Zappa's ghost will haunt you for  intimating this.
Freak Out is Prog because it fits the PA definition at large and the RIO/Avant genre specifically. I always called it Art Rock before coming to PA. However, If Zappa is rejected as Prog, then there are several whole genres that would have to be eliminated by logical implication.
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Points: 193 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2015 at 09:03
Zappa himself rejected it as being progressive rock. (I believe it angered him to have freak Out associated in any way.) Much of Freak Out is just novelty music. I did a track by track evaluation somewhere on the net .

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oh, a new genre.......novelty music
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Here is one of the best:

NEIL'S HEAVY CONCEPT ALBUM

From a member of the UK comedy series, The Young Ones
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Points: 8625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2015 at 12:09
Originally posted by jacksiedanny jacksiedanny wrote:

Zappa himself rejected it as being progressive rock. (I believe it angered him to have freak Out associated in any way.)

Don't know what that proves, since Van der Graaf Generator also rejects the label.
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Points: 262 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2015 at 19:20
Yeah but Zappa probably only rejected it as being progressive rock because that genre label designation sorta' freaked him out. 
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by progpositivity progpositivity wrote:

I submit Brian Wilson's "Pet Sounds" as the first art-rock concept album. 
 
What exactly is the "concept" of Pet Sounds?
 
 
A bit of a stretch?  Perhaps.  It appears you will think so.  In any event, here goes.  I've italicized the paragraph below which explains the manner in which I considered Pet Sounds to be a concept album of sorts.
 
Pet Sounds was an entire album held together not by a single plotline like the day in the life of an average man... nor was it to be held together by a simplistic motif like every song being about water or love...  Rather it was a collection of sonic gems integrally interconnected conceptually by a systematic approach to exploring relational themes in lyrics, using the studio as a complex instrument, expanding the instrumentation and tonal color used in popular rock music, and the introduction of unconventional vocal harmonies and atypical chord progressions, etc.
 
So Pet Sounds introduced many people to the very concept of the rock album as a synergistic vehicle (with the whole album experience being greater than the sum of the individual song experiences), one which showcased rock and roll music as art.  With this concept, Pet Sounds set the stage for the Beatles to release Sgt. Pepper which further set the stage for a plethora of conceptual art rock albums to ensue.  
 
But I do understand your perspective.  If one limits themselves to a more strict (and commonly used) definition for 'concept album', one which has a specific story line, recurring characters, etc., then Pet Sounds doesn't qualify as a concept album. 
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