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    Posted: April 03 2015 at 03:38
Originally posted by driftingsun driftingsun wrote:

Hi Kati!

I was only kidding cos earlyprog made me laugh :) Thanks for the sweet and welcoming words though! *hugs back at ya*
Smile I know what you mean, also speaking of earlyprog, in a weird way I must say I actually do like him, he would be my annoying little brother if I had any Big smileLOL hugs Hug
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2015 at 03:32
Hi Kati!

I was only kidding cos earlyprog made me laugh :) Thanks for the sweet and welcoming words though! *hugs back at ya*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2015 at 01:12
Originally posted by driftingsun driftingsun wrote:

Hi earlyprog

I didn't post reviews of my albums actually, but hey :)
 
Driftingsun, don't take it personally Smile Also, hello! And welcome! plus hugs Hug
 
Don't take things personally here, unfortunately ratings manipulation do happen here and some "unfortunately inc. those unfounded" are viewed most suspiciously. Some members speak whatever comes to their mind even if it is unfounded (at times hurtful) but they are harmless and do not bite LOL One has no remedy against brute comments however we are all here for a purpose even if we have different approaches and/or different opinions or specific taste in moozik. Wink Pay no attention to what some people say, most of us believe that the majority of new people that join PA, have good intentions are for real and the main purpose is music, being it an musician, music aficionado or a fan.  
It's a great site and forum to be part of Big smile more hugs Hug 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 13:42
^Just my words.

I'm out of here
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 13:34
Guys can you please wrap it up or maybe take it to PM?

This thread has been derailed enough as it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 13:30
lol true

Well a few reviews have already been published on here, they loved it so that's all good!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 12:28
^which is also not a violation of PA regulations LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 12:24
^...although you could review it - I don't think you are violating any written PA regulation by doing so.

Or you could ask someone else to do it for you.

I would probably choose the latter option if I were you.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 12:16
Originally posted by driftingsun driftingsun wrote:

Hi earlyprog

I didn't post reviews of my albums actually, but hey :)

Who would be that stupid, a review of Drifting Sun by driftingsun LOL

I think my message got through anyway.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2015 at 11:51
Hi earlyprog

I didn't post reviews of my albums actually, but hey :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2015 at 16:05
errmmm Ermm in term of fan boys reviews "girl here" I do not think anyone would disagree that mine are most sincere, also mainly due to my reviews being so long, I doubt anyone would critique it considering that they probably would have fallen asleep halfway reading it anyway hehehe Evil Smile evil grin hihihi
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2015 at 04:22
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Dean, as much as I technically follow your explanations - the real problem is a lot closer to what Iain expresses: someone is making money from this, others are having fun and considering themselves master of the universe in their own isolated prog rock related sand box and meanwhile none of them seems to care that others are abusing site features for less than applaudable reasons. That's not the PA I joined 10 years ago, if I may say so...
Far be it for me to defend M@X, but this site costs money to operate and maintain. While I haven't seen the actual figures anyone with a little knowledge of how much things cost and how much a site can earn from web-traffic can do a quick calculation in the back of an envelope to see that he isn't lining his pockets with truck-loads of cash. I suspect the site mostly breaks-even and if there is profit then it is small-change. We don't pay a bean to enjoy its contents so have to tolerate the advertisements and the revenue they produce.

Abusers are not making money either - I suspect that, as we've seen with "maxfax", they probably think they are doing the artist a favour in trying to boost an albums chart position. 
 
I second all you said, Dean, in defense about M@X and PA (besides that M@X looks like Harvey Spector from SUITS, aka hotBig smile) all this said he was the pioneer and to date no site is parallel to PA.
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Cooee! No Maxfax is not helping quite the contrary, imagine if you would get a msg saying "review my album, give me your email address, with the audacity not to leave their contact or real name" ConfusedOuch It's rude obnoxious and spam pure and simple clearly and not related to the band.
LOL this band has had so much going against them hahaha sorry for laughing but really lol Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2015 at 04:15
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Dean, as much as I technically follow your explanations - the real problem is a lot closer to what Iain expresses: someone is making money from this, others are having fun and considering themselves master of the universe in their own isolated prog rock related sand box and meanwhile none of them seems to care that others are abusing site features for less than applaudable reasons. That's not the PA I joined 10 years ago, if I may say so...
Far be it for me to defend M@X, but this site costs money to operate and maintain. While I haven't seen the actual figures anyone with a little knowledge of how much things cost and how much a site can earn from web-traffic can do a quick calculation in the back of an envelope to see that he isn't lining his pockets with truck-loads of cash. I suspect the site mostly breaks-even and if there is profit then it is small-change. We don't pay a bean to enjoy its contents so have to tolerate the advertisements and the revenue they produce.

Abusers are not making money either - I suspect that, as we've seen with "maxfax", they probably think they are doing the artist a favour in trying to boost an albums chart position. 
 
I second all you said, Dean, in defense about M@X and PA (besides that M@X looks like Harvey Spector from SUITS, aka hotBig smile) all this said he was the pioneer and to date no site is parallel to PA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2015 at 03:54
Originally posted by driftingsun driftingsun wrote:

What do you see, earlyprog? You sound angry :)

Errrrr, didn't see that coming. I thought I could just sit back, relax and read the new posts without further interaction. I have long forgotten the contents of past posts. However, I do seem to remember mentioning Drifting Sun, driftingsun Wink

I may also have missed if anyone has proposed that eligibility to post an album review should require a minimum of say 25 yearned points on PA in which case you, driftingsun (24 points at the time of posting this), would still not be able to post an advertisement for an album, which probably was the first you did upon arrival at this site. But thanks for contributing beyond that. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2015 at 23:58
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

^ whilst I agree with you, Dean, that Max is probably not making shed loads of money from PA, I would not have thought that the running costs are that high.

In any business, the major cost is wages (or personal drawings/salary if you are a one man band). Max doesn't have to suffer that - he has a load of volunteers to do it for him, does he not?

The ratings only system is a pain in the arse, simple as, and should be done away with.
 
Lazland, hello! You very, VERY, clever smoochie! Hug
We both agree here that M@X makes very little revenue on PA and that collabs are eager to help out this site, to develop and carry on, it's all for the love of moozik and this is priceless. One thing we all have to agree is that M@X was a pioneer before  (and after to be honest) there was nothing quite like P.A.
Beyond the database PA has become a major prestigious site to join or be part of inc. for bands. 
I salute M@X very much, however I also know that google pays very little thus income is almost none unless we get more traffic through here because being prestigious means nothing, they don't care all they see is numbers,  if one cannot get the numbers, we best get sponsors and that is a pop up adverts etc nightmare really..
A massive big hug to you, my sweet hot clever Lazland Big smileHug 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2015 at 23:36
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

I was more thinking about requiring an e-mail address and a real name to be provided when creating an account for starters. ;-)
People lie. Email addresses can be faked and spoofed, and my real name is Winston Leonard Spenser-Churchill (I used to be a British flag ... but I got better).

Prevention is better than cure - removing the ridiculous "instant rating" function would help considerably, in fact setting a rating-only needs to be made more complicated so that people cannot join the site with a fake email address, blitz 100s of albums with ratings and bugger off. Forcing a Catchpa test for every rating would slow them down and reduce the number of bogus rating they could achieve in a given time. Auto log off after each rating-only would also slow them down (or after every 2 or 3 anyway). Separating rating-only from review-rating would make a big difference.

Automatic IP address checking should also be employed to prevent two user accounts being used from the same IP address. (Genuine members who share the same IP address can be added to an "accepted exceptions" list).

However, since it is the rating-only voting abuse that gives the PA a bad image then the sensible recourse of action is to remove the feature completely. The original premise that it allows non-English speaker to contribute to the voting is flawed: the weighting system used to reduce the effect of abuse affects all rating-only votes, not just the bogus ones. Those non-English speakers are being punished unfairly for the crimes of a few idiots. The better solution (and this is so effing simple it's stupid) is to permit reviews in any language.

Seriously - why should we force people to write reviews in English? We can say that we prefer reviews to be written in English and English reviews can be given preference on the Front Page and on Band pages to emphasise that, but where is the harm in permitting people to write in the language they are fluent in? All I can see is benefit - the quality of the reviews will improve, the reader-base will increase and by using online auto-translators those monolinquists among us (such as I) can read what they write. It is better to have a great review written in Spanish, French, Welsh, etc, than a poor one written in English.


Well signing in for PA (a reputable site) makes it harder for people to make fake ratings, I only recently discovered that one does not need to sign up to rate an album, hahaha this is insane and I feel bad for the admins now really it must be a nightmare for the admins to decipher between real ratings or not Confused any other site one at least needs to sign in via email of social network, no wonder PA has rating problems Ouch hehehehe it's your own fault, deal with it Big smileLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2015 at 10:46
What do you see, earlyprog? You sound angry :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2015 at 01:22
LOL

You can only become a Groupie or Senior Forum Member by posting on the forum. This means that non-English speakers would be excluded from rating-only, thus removing the only justification for having the feature at all. Clown
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2015 at 00:56
Originally posted by twalsh twalsh wrote:

Ratings could probably be limited to Forum Groupies or even Forum Senior members.  i bet this would eliminate the most egregious ratings abuses.
What he said. However, after such limitations, all the comments that may lead towards an "investigation" on the reasons why & how people are rating the albums - that must be banned. I mean, this is assuming that there will always be some comments that decried how "balefully" was rating did by someone else and in the case that only the PA' Senior members (and Collaborators & Admins) are allowed to rate, that kind of the comments ought to be removed from the forum promptly; of course, with a warning to those who post such a comments.
Non-English speakers who maybe really want to (only) rate the albums at PA, they can reach that senior member status for example by going to the polls and doing even a copy/paste of the name of some at the poll listed band / album and to post it in the polls threads though they will not be able to vote in the poll 'til they are reached the status of senior members.
Indeed, there is no better solution than what twalsh suggested.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2015 at 17:04
A rating only review, sincere or otherwise, contributes precisely nothing to the site. PA is at core, a music review site and archive of Progressive Rock and it's related artists, not a voting booth.
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