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octopus-4
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Posted: April 18 2015 at 16:40 | |||||
It's question of tastes, but this stuff for me sucks...I have to admit that sometimes an artist is hidden behind genres like hip-hop, but it happened also with punk.
But I can't not post this masterpiece...I hope you can find a translation if the lyrics, they are amazing. |
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Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half.
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Artpop
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Posted: April 18 2015 at 07:59 | |||||
Trip-Hop: Portishead, Massive Attack etc. Check out the latter's 'Mezzanine' CD.
This should help too: http://www.amazon.com/Straight-Bristol-Massive-Attack-Portishead-Trip-Hop/dp/0340675217
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Kati
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Posted: April 18 2015 at 01:02 | |||||
mhwoaaahhhxxxxxxxxxx!!! thank you, Svetonio and a big hug
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 18 2015 at 00:51 | |||||
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Kati
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 22:28 | |||||
Watch Queue TV Queue __count__/__total__ Edited by Kati - April 17 2015 at 22:29 |
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Polymorphia
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 22:19 | |||||
I imagine there is probably some rap/breakcore hybrid somewhere or something. A lot of people try to innovate the genre for the heck of it and end up being not very good at it, because they never fell in love with the genre in the first place. Odd meters is the first thing people go to. There is some good experimental rap, but it's usually made by people who love the regular stuff too.
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Kati
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:54 | |||||
DJ Premier & The Berklee Symphony - Regeneration (Feat. Nas) [Lyrics in Description] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOiQqCq35f0 XXXXX
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Kati
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:53 | |||||
DJ Premier f. Nas, Apathy & The Berklee Symphony Orchestra - Regeneration Remix (Produced by Apathy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgF5HvSR6Q8 xxxx
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Kati
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:48 | |||||
Dark Rap / Hip-Hop Instrumental - "Violins Of Violence 2" | Deep Orchestra Strings | Aggresive Beat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCJBNKLnARk xxxxx
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HemispheresOfXanadu
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:40 | |||||
Someone posted this a while ago and I really enjoyed it so I'll repost it here (because it's proggy/hip-hoppy):
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Smurph
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:20 | |||||
Well there could be progressive hip-hop rock. Basically just highly composed and complex music with sick beats and good lyrics. Someone that shows real compositional genius none of these bullsh*t tags given to many hip-hop artists.
But, I have yet to hear of a hip-hop artist putting that much insane detail into their music. I could say Busdriver, El-Producto, and Deltron 3030 do that a bit in their music but it's more a rarity and not the complete basis of the sound. Still waiting for this artist that I have imagined to arise. |
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Kati
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:13 | |||||
The City Sleeps - MC 900 Ft. Jesus with lyrics That is not hip hop or rap underground. that's more 80's pop with vocal radio voice over. Also that 80's beat auto tune kills me.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 18:57 | |||||
No, that would be the height of rudeness. I just think that trying to find some common ground in two genres that are so diametrically opposed/incompatible is futile. 'Naive' was inappropriate, so apologies for that (I think 'misguided' would have been more apt) |
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Hot Rat '69
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 18:17 | |||||
Naive? So you're saying everybody who's posted on this thread offering examples are clueless? |
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Svetonio
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 17:28 | |||||
There is a number of artists who are tagged as progressive hip-hop, their audience accepts them as such and that's it. So claim that progressive hip-hop is not PA material is okay thought unneeded 'cause everybody knows that, yet claim that progressive hip-hop does not exist, it's ridiculous nonsense! Is there some prog except prog rock? Of course, and that list does not end with progressive electronics as we perceive it, i.e. Berlin School of Electronic music.
I couldn't agree more. That using of some prog-rock samples is cool, but these samples per se do not constitute a progressive hip-hop; progressive hip-hop is a subgenre of hip-hop and it is born within hip-hop as a musical genre that is separated from rock music, including progressive rock.
Of course, and that definition already exists and, as per wiki, progressive hip hop (often tagged also as alternative hip-hop and /or experimental hip-hop) is a "hip hop other than the traditional stereotypes of rap, such as gangsta, bass, hardcore, and party rap"; well, one can say that it's nothing special, but I would like to mind you that there is not a valid deffinition of progressive rock too (it was actually much easier to define in 60s when, for example, one flautist in a blues-rock band and some odd time signatures was made that band *progressive*). Edited by Svetonio - April 18 2015 at 01:15 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 17:27 | |||||
I agree (you don't know what Prog is) Dälek are certainly a very innovative and refreshing hip hop duo who manage to dispense with most of the stylistic cliches that make the genre so numbingly predictable. However, just because they assimilate influences that are perhaps unprecedented and maybe atypical for Hip Hop (industrial, noise, metal, glitch, ambient, Krautrock etc) doesn't make this avowedly Hip Hop band Prog now does it? There are loads of progressively minded Hip Hop artists who will take the genre to unprecedented places in the future that no-one ever thought plausible or possible but that wont be Prog either. |
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Monadology
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 16:27 | |||||
Surprised at so many straight-up negative answers. If Dälek isn't prog, I don't know what is.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 16:10 | |||||
Yes, I've heard Funkadelic, (and Parliament) both of which to my stubbornly pale ears sound like long winded cosmiche hippy jam w.a.n.k. (but that's probably my loss, and we do have recourse to the Grateful Dead for more of that) For the sake of clarity, the passive racism I'm referring to is that perpetuated for over 40 years by white male music journalists on both sides of the Atlantic who dogmatically insist that anything that is NOT predicated upon black American popular music styles (e.g. Motown, RnB, Soul, Funk, Gospel etc) is therefore irrelevant, anodyne, sterile, sexless and joyless white cultural art w.a.n.k. y'all? The solution of 'well stop reading it then' is not really an option as this unchallenged conditioning has been assimilated into the popular consciousness to such an extent that a (white) elephant in the room appears to be wearing some sort of 'cloaking device' Your quest for examples of artists who straddle both genres is as laudable as it is naive: Hip Hop is from a black US urban culture. Prog ain't. Like I said before, sampling a texture does not equate to sampling the content Edited by ExittheLemming - April 19 2015 at 04:12 |
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Mascodagama
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 15:05 | |||||
I must admit the suggestion wasn't entirely serious. I had just come across the band because of a posting on avantgarde-metal.com (which is odd, since they aren't metal either as far as I can tell). Don't actually disagree that it is tedious stuff. My knowledge of hip-hop is fairly pathetic but if I had to make a semi-serious suggestion for this thread it'd probably be Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy with their 1992 album Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury: OK, I wouldn't honestly put them forward as prog, but it's certainly hip-hop that a lot of prog fans may enjoy. Musically interesting, superb lyrically and the record still stands up 22 years after I first bought it. They also kicked arse live. Edited by Mascodagama - April 17 2015 at 15:06 |
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hieronymous
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Posted: April 17 2015 at 13:42 | |||||
I'm going to repost this track, this time with explanation:
I am not a huge hip-hop fan but I kind of like turntablism/scratching. I got to know someone who was a DJ and asked him to overdub some turntable stuff to a track I had recorded with distorted/octaved 8-string bass & drums. You could maybe argue that the bass/drum tracks aren't prog, though I am hugely influenced by Chris Squire - but even so, the tracks that he is scratching are from Close to the Edge, so there's the explicit connection. Plus I dedicated it to MCA, bassist of the Beastie Boys, when he passed a few years ago. I've got another track in 7/8 with Moog Taurus synth and rapping by Warren G & Nate Dogg that this thread has inspired me to release at some point soon.
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