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Kati

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:55

Angelo wrote:

lol, Lazland, well said.

Sonia, thanks for defending me - despite the fact she agrees with me, Raff can look very threatening

Raff is intimidating because her knowledge is so much more than me

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:52

lazland wrote:

Kati wrote:

Dean wrote:

Kati wrote:

Raff wrote:

Finally, I cannot but endorse Angelo's remarks about the negativity of some recent threads. There isn't anything productive in mulling over and over how nasty the music industry is nowadays, or why the younger generations don't embrace prog. What about celebrating what we like for a change, instead of emphasizing every single negative aspect?

P.S. Endorse is big word, Raff. I rather prefer to say (instead saying I do not endorse) I disagree what you said about Angelo.

Raff said "I cannot BUT endorse" ... that means she has no choice BUT to agree with him. That is: Raff agrees with Angelo Wink

Dean, you see!!! I am a nincompoop, this is proof!

I completely misread it and now I feel not so good about myself bah

Don't worry about it, Sonia. Nincompoop's can be great fun

Also, in keeping with the arguments on this thread, it should be said that the web presence of the Nincompoop is a damned sight greater than the majority of Bandcramp suggestions brought to PA in recent months

Lazland, you are a magic, you give me (us) a beautiful happy feeling before we can think of anything good enough to reply to you , poof you disappear .... not fair, every time you appear you make us feel so special and think the world is wonderful and poof again you are gone lol you say the nicest things at the ones most down moments, awww thank you so much, not only for now but previous times and a few months back too

thank you very much,

Sonia

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:40

lol, Lazland, well said.

Sonia, thanks for defending me - despite the fact she agrees with me, Raff can look very threatening

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:39

Kati wrote:

Dean wrote:

Kati wrote:

P.S. Endorse is big word, Raff. I rather prefer to say (instead saying I do not endorse) I disagree what you said about Angelo.

Raff said "I cannot BUT endorse" ... that means she has no choice BUT to agree with him. That is: Raff agrees with Angelo Wink

Dean, you see!!! I am a nincompoop, this is proof!

I completely misread it and now I feel not so good about myself bah

Don't worry about it, Sonia. Nincompoop's can be great fun

Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:13

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:10

Dean wrote:

Kati wrote:

P.S. Endorse is big word, Raff. I rather prefer to say (instead saying I do not endorse) I disagree what you said about Angelo.

Raff said "I cannot BUT endorse" ... that means she has no choice BUT to agree with him. That is: Raff agrees with Angelo Wink

Dean, you see!!! I am a nincompoop, this is proof!

I completely misread it and now I feel not so good about myself bah

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:09

Kati wrote:

you both

stop being silly

Silly is as silly does.

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:07

Kati wrote:

P.S. Endorse is big word, Raff. I rather prefer to say (instead saying I do not endorse) I disagree what you said about Angelo.

Raff said "I cannot BUT endorse" ... that means she has no choice BUT to agree with him. That is: Raff agrees with Angelo Wink

What?

Kati

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 06:06

you both

stop being silly

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:58

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Although... a bigger web presence begins with the band's own pages, Dean, nothing wrong with that.

It does, but the sequence goes: 1st party presence (bandcamp, facebook, myspace, youtube-channel); solicited 2nd party presence (band listing sites, wikipedia, LastFM, PA); unsolicited 3rd party presence (blogs, fan pages, review-sites).

Often it stops dead at 1st party presence. Many assume that 2nd party presence, such as being listed here is enough. Few bands ever achieve 3rd party recognition even within the 2nd/3rd party domain of the PA. Adding a band here is not creating 3rd party interest in a band if no one ever reviews an album.

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The incident that caused this childish rift between Svetonio and myself was over the inclusion of a band. He was getting hung-up over which subgenre the band should be placed in (Math or Eclectic). I said [if the subgenre is hard to decide then] it doesn't matter where the band goes because (and this is something I learnt from Mickey) we should "let the reviews speak for the music". So later when Austin said "IF they were passed to Math then let's just add them there"... Svetonio took this as an official acceptance of the band. So when I pointed out that the rest of the Math team would need to vote on the evaluation he replied with: "let the reviews speak for the music" ...I thought (and still think) that was a silly thing to say and I told him to stop being a four-letter word that begins with "d" and ends with "k". In the end (9 months later) the band was added to RIO/Avant. To date they have no reviews and only two ratings: by Svetonio and the band's guitarist. Stern Smile

Edited by Dean - April 24 2015 at 06:18

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Kati

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:56

Raff wrote:

I've read through the last two or three pages of posts, and a couple of observations stood out for me:

1) As David pointed out, these days there are very probably more bands/artists than fans, which means that those bands/artists have to work very hard at attracting their potential audience's attention.

2) Unfortunately, as Dean wrote in his most recent post, far too many of those bands/artists have very little clue of how to spread the word. Anyone who has worked in a genre team here at PA, or written reviews on a regular basis, has spent a fair share of his/her time looking for information about a band/artist, and found there was very little available. Bandcamp is great, but it would be nice if the artists remembered to post at least ONE link to their website/Facebook page/blog/etc, instead of having the listener/reviewer hunt around the Internet for scraps of info. Sometimes it feels like a band/artist does not want to be found. I am all for promoting new music, but those whose music I am trying to promote should collaborate as well.

Finally, I cannot but endorse Angelo's remarks about the negativity of some recent threads. There isn't anything productive in mulling over and over how nasty the music industry is nowadays, or why the younger generations don't embrace prog. What about celebrating what we like for a change, instead of emphasizing every single negative aspect?

If there are more bands/artists than fans, I do not believe this it would be the end and a nightmare, I won't believe this and will keep sharing my enthusiasm to others. Common, to be honest we complain about pop artists and rap artists too but atleast they are united meanwhile all we do is snob our noses and bitch about others,

P.S. Endorse is big word, Raff. I rather prefer to say (instead saying I do not endorse) I disagree what you said about Angelo.

Edited by Kati - April 24 2015 at 06:01

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:44

Dean wrote:

Kati wrote:

Dean, you know I would never ever say you are pompous! Why would you think that of me? I was merely trying to deviate the topic.

I didn't for one moment think you were, (I have a much higher opinion of myself Wink

) I was just curious to why you wanted to "break free from this pompous BS" Tongue

hahaha you are quick lolol hahahaha

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:43

Dean wrote:

Kati wrote:

I got to break free from this pompous B.S. Queen - I Want To Break Free (High Quality) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8Ss28zjcE&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwNCMWxAGZao-G4-sIKxA9T3&index=60 XXXXX

Who's being pompous? Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean here, but where is the BS?

Dean, you are my fav, hot fluffy pompous grumpy

hug

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:41

Kati wrote:

Dean, you know I would never ever say you are pompous! Why would you think that of me? I was merely trying to deviate the topic.

I didn't for one moment think you were, (I have a much higher opinion of myself Wink

) I was just curious to why you wanted to "break free from this pompous BS" Tongue

What?

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:41

ok this is all a bit silly and so is this but it's fun tho' Queen - Bicycle Race (Official Video) xxxx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt0V0_1MS0Q&index=61&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwNCMWxAGZao-G4-sIKxA9T3 xxxx

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:38

Dean, you know I would never ever say you are pompous! Why would you think that of me? I was merely trying to deviate the topic.

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:33

Who's being pompous? Sorry, I'm not trying to be mean here, but where is the BS?

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Kati

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:30

I got to break free from this pompous B.S. Queen - I Want To Break Free (High Quality) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8Ss28zjcE&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwNCMWxAGZao-G4-sIKxA9T3&index=60 XXXXX

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:29

Kati wrote:

Dean wrote:

Clap

Well said Raff Clap

You misunderstood Angelo, Dean

How?

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Posted: April 24 2015 at 05:28

Thank you ladies (including Dean ;-) ), glad to see I'm not calling nonsense for a change. Now I may start thinking about opening a positive topic this weekend :)

Although... a bigger web presence begins with the band's own pages, Dean, nothing wrong with that.

Edited by Angelo - April 24 2015 at 05:30

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