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Dean wrote: Kati wrote: Alas, many of the disagreements on the interwebs are the result of silly misunderstandings caused by people reading posts too quickly and reacting to what they think they read and not what was actually written. I am not immune from this, I too have been known to jump to the wrong conclusion over what I thought the other person said because I miss-read what they wrote. So, after 20 years of arguing on the internet, I try not to make snap knee-jerk replies and try to avoid attacking the person themselves; but again, I'm not immune - when frustrated by snippy posts I will give snippy replies, I'm not a machine, I have feelings and can be hurt as easily as anyone else.  In one of my first ever BBS forum posts back in 1994 I typed "Br*t Pop" instead of "Brit Pop" because I thought it amusing to infer that it could mean Brit and Brat ... someone, un-offended by my cheap joke about Brit Pop, took exception to my improper use of the asterisk (*) and launched into a puerile attack on me personally and made what I can only assume he thought were clever remarks about Asterix being a Gaul not a Goth. A harsh lesson quickly learnt - if I behaved like a dick then I deserved to be called a dick but that doesn't grant anyone the right to be more of a dick in return. As abrasive as I am, I vowed never to become like that guy, so aside from some immature name-calling I've never made public personal attacks on anyone here, including Mr Svetonio Monopod.  My first step towards that was the dumping of an anonymous screen-name to hide behind. The screen-name that Svetonio is so adverse to quoting in any post now is my real name. Similarly I use people's real names in any post I make (if I know it), I never call you "Kati" - it's always "Sonia", "Lazland" is "Steve" never "Laz", "Pedro" is never "Moshy" etc. etc. This is to remind me that the person behind the anonymous screen-name is a real person, just like me. They have feelings and emotions just like me, they get angry just me and they can get hurt, again, just like me.  My second is to never post in haste or in anger.  Write-out the angry post by all means - it's very cathartic to vent your spleen - to see those angry words on a page -  but delete them, never post them. When I write long-winded posts in response to something it is because I have taken the time to carefully read their post and consider every point they have made. If I do not understand the point then I ask for clarification and further explanation; conversely if I think the person has made an error then I will point that out to them and I'l try to do that without causing offence. Unfortunately some people are easily offended, they also have a habit of taking quotes out of context and deliberately miss-representing the opinion of others. I am never offended when people argue against me - that's healthy and acceptable. I do, however, take exception when people attack me instead of the points I am making, but my response is to either acknowledge the punch and continue without lowering myself to their level, or ignore it and walk away. I will not fight and squabble with people on the internet when they make it personal. Strong and heated discussion is not fighting, it is the expression of differing and conflicting opinion but it is not fighting, nor is it a reflection of animosity or spite. Personal attacks are. I'll never go around hugging people because I'm British and we don't go in for that kind of thing, but I'll not kick them in the nether regions either.

And before I go out in the sun (tomorrow it rains again ...) I am going to shamelessly promote a new, young individual (or one person band, whatever you want to call it). The album's been around for 4 months now, and no one bothered to review it on PA (well I did, but only posted it yesterday), even though all other sites and magazines have by now. 

Dean wrote: The incident that caused this childish rift between Svetonio and myself was over the inclusion of a band.

Well, it's simply not true... I'v been reading recently a very interesting thread about the Concept instrumental albums, and you know what Mister Dean? i find this: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99000&PN=2   The incident that caused this "childish rift" between you and Mr. Svetonio Monopod was to occur when you said to him some quite bad things - only because he posted some albums covers pictures instead to write the titles of them...

Komandant Shamal wrote: Dean wrote: The incident that caused this childish rift between Svetonio and myself was over the inclusion of a band. Well, it's simply not true... I'v been reading recently a very interesting thread about the Concept instrumental albums, and you know what Mister Dean? i find this: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99000&PN=2   The incident that caused this "childish rift" between you and Mr. Svetonio Monopod was to occur when you said to him some quite bad things - only because he posted some albums covers pictures instead to write the titles of them...

Edited by Kati - April 24 2015 at 09:22

Dean wrote: Dean wrote: Angelo wrote: I'm sure they won't Komandant Shamal. Rules like this will only lead to crappy hurried reviews to get rid of the constraints (which does a disservice to the site as well as the album being reviewed) or to people simply not reviewing at all. I agree. The idea is simply never going to work. Forcing people to write a review for an unknown band before they can write about bands they know and love is only going to result in bad reviews. This will never be good for the poor unknown band. Returning to this for a moment. (I know, bad form quoting your own post, but I so dislike back-editing) A better solution is to encourage people to stray from the conventional path and write reviews for artists they like that have no reviews ONCE they have practised the art of writing reviews. Surely we should be encouraging people to write better reviews first and then approach the more difficult subjects ONCE they are more comfortable with writing. Let them practise on Close To The Edge where their opinion makes little or no difference, let them read and learn from what others have written on the same subject and make the comparisons for themselves. I cannot make claim to ever doing this my self of course because I am a dyed-in-the-wool hypocrite who never follows his own advice - My first three reviews here (and thus four of my paltry total of six) where deliberately chosen because they were albums I loved that didn't have reviews - none of them were "unknown" artists, but they were perhaps, over-looked albums. My most popular review (in terms of encouraging feedback from others) however, was for an album that has 1100 ratings and too many reviews to count and I only wrote that because I felt I had something different to say about it and as I was the leader of the Xover team at the time picking a very popular Xover seemed to be the logical thing to do. Did any of my reviews make a difference? I doubt it. I no longer write reviews because I don't enjoy writing them and I don't like making subjective critical assessments of other peoples' music - if I like an album then I like it, if I don't then I don't.

Dean to be honest seriously now is the most direct truthful person on here, although he makes me laugh so much even when he is serious at times, he honestly is very nice, a good sincere/fair person really (again funny also). Anyway I love my grumpy too much!   

It's the "March of the Emoticons" broad.

Rednight wrote: It's the "March of the Emoticons" broad.

Yet we are in April....

Hi Kati et al - just saw this thread - Interestingly my band YAK was featured in about issue 6 of the CRPP mag and we had a track on the CD that came with it - I followed this up by advertising with them for a few issues - However in June this year I let them know about our new release "Quest for the Stones" which has had some great reviews so far - but despite several e mails - not a dicky bird in responce - I sent them a nice messsage on facebook too, but even this was ignored - totally agree with much of what I am seeing on this thread in respect of the mag - such a shame that they have this attitude to "non famous" bands - it is a struggle to get the word out - on a professional level as a "Client" to not even to get a reply from them I find upsetting - my 2p :)


Edited by yaksongs - August 11 2015 at 07:51