But How Do You Really Feel?

I guess it's easier for me to enjoy the later Genesis music because the first album I listened to was Abacab. My sister bought it because of the single that was being played, listened to basically that one song and then gave it to me. I was drawn to songs like Dodo/Lurker and Keep It Dark, and the quirkier moments throughout. Eventually I went backwards and fell in love with what is still one of my all-time favorite bands. I enjoy all of the Genesis releases, and it's interesting to me to listen to them in order to experience the transitions in style. I even like the first couple of Collins solo records.

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: He was great as a drummer ......

*frinspar* wrote: I guess it's easier for me to enjoy the later Genesis music because the first album I listened to was Abacab. My sister bought it because of the single that was being played, listened to basically that one song and then gave it to me. I was drawn to songs like Dodo/Lurker and Keep It Dark, and the quirkier moments throughout. Eventually I went backwards and fell in love with what is still one of my all-time favorite bands. I enjoy all of the Genesis releases, and it's interesting to me to listen to them in order to experience the transitions in style. I even like the first couple of Collins solo records.

Sorry, Phil Collins is.....ick!  At least, that's what my ears say about his solo material.  I don't have an ear for drums, so I will take others' word that he is a good drummer.  What I've heard of Phil, with rare exceptions , is pap.

I don't really feel much anything.  If there was anything to suggest Collins was SOLELY responsible for throwing Gabriel out of the band, then maybe I could hold that against him.  The band lost a lot once Gabriel left even if four man Genesis produced two good albums.  It is also clear in hindsight that Gabriel and Hackett were thirsting to express themselves and were pursuing a direction quite different from symph-Genesis.  So I am unable really to work up a rage against Collins the 'traitor'.  He was a fantastic drummer and a decent singer.  I don't care for his solo work and I only like a few songs from the s/t album as far as pop Genesis goes.  But that's their decision to make; they can't take care of every fan's individual tastes and preferences.  And clearly they fared pretty well in the prog to pop transition, much better than Yes for instance.  At the most I would opine that perhaps the trio of Banks, Rutherford and Collins underestimated the brilliance of Gabriel and Hackett and thought them more dispensable than they really were.  Without them, the band gradually drifted into music that, at least for my taste, was good but not great and nothing spectacular.  I do not see any great prog delights in store for fans in a hypothetical universe where three man Genesis had stayed prog in the 80s.  It would have been along the lines of Wuthering/And then there were three at best and still ruined by 80s production.  

Edited by rogerthat - June 18 2015 at 23:44

I'm thinking ..............if once upon a time, everyone loved me, I was a stellar drummer, I performed drums on an insanely brilliant Zeuhl album, and then some other demanding sessions, (I know, anything he touched was not Zeuhl, but just sayin'......) then I embarked on a Pop-music solo career..........
Well, then, they just changed the gender for the Duchess track.....oh, the album IS called DUKE............
I'm not offended by his solo sh*t, but it's another classic case of 'how the mighty have fallen'.
On a side, I dig Kajagoogoo a lot - in Nick Beggs' case, at least it is a rare case of how the mighty has risen and realised his role in 'serious' music. And I prefer White Feathers to any Genesis 80's output (bar Duke).......

An excellent musician and an important part of the Genesis sound throughout all the eras he was involved with the band.

His solo music is mostly awful and I have no interest in it. I don't regard it as having been made by the same man. I know he has a love of soul and Motown but if he loved it that much he would have more respect for it, and wouldn't give it the white British middle class treatment. He's reduced it to meaningless insipid, soulless commercial radio bubble gum for middle aged taxi drivers and bored housewives who turned 21 in 1985.

Not my thing to be fair...

Was looking for a list of all the drumming Phil have done on other artists album.

Yes, I have just come to the point, where i accept the fact, that "they" are responsible for what they do with their music, and no reason to judge if its ok or not, we can just pick and chose, what we like, and drop the rest of it. 

Tom Ozric wrote: ^ This is indeed true. I have dozens of albums where Phil has lent his percussive talents to - many are quite obscure and have fallen by the wayside.    Versatile is the key word here. I do like to occasionally spin Frida's (yes, she of ABBA fame) vinyl 'Something's Going On'. Phil drummed, Darryl Stuermer played guitars, Peter Robinson played keys, and Mo Foster played bass. All-star Prog line-up, really. The songs were written by many folks associated with the Prog genre. It's not so much 'Phil material', but the fact of how many folks openly admit "Phil is the best drummer in the world" after only having heard In The Air Tonight and noticing bugger-all else. I gather that most of us are just disappointed how Phil became a household name for those that never knew just how incredible a drummer he is, let alone what he contributed to. Same can be said of Peter Cetera. Great bassist in his prime with Chicago (he can play some complex bass) - sellout commercial solo artist later on......... .....I'd like to make a buck too, with minimal effort................

He was on a/some Eric Clapton album(s).