S. Wilson not progressive rock?

dr wu23 wrote: He's prog rock in my book and Bonnamassa is blues in my book. The idea that you have to be Muddy Wters to be called the blues or Yes to be called prog rock is well.....stupid.

Completely agree.. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w8SY_9yO8k

 If that's not prog ,what is it?

Pat Metheny derided his group as being labeled as jazz-rock/fusion. 

Do you know what you are, you are what you is.

Steven is very influenced by past prog.  To deny it is ridiculous...

I am not much into SW's music - it is mostly too gloomy and downbeat to my taste - and there were times when I doubted its "progness", until I realized that I once again had confused "prog" and "music I like" ;)

No, SW's music is prog, and despite not liking it much, I am deeply respectful of his intelligence and skill.  And what regards him denying his music was prog - Robert Fripp did the same.  But he indeed has a point in that few prog bands of our times are as literally progressive as the great classical prog bands were.

Yet, "progressive rock" is a label for a particular tradition within rock music, one that isn't always literally progressive, and has no monopoly on being progressive or innovative.  Well, it is just a label, and language isn't always logical but based on conventions.  I am an amateur linguistician, and I think I have a pretty good idea how language works and how not.  Like not every black bird being a blackbird.

At first, progressive rock-music was called progressive rock - then it became a genre and stopped being progressive.

Edited by lostrom - July 04 2015 at 18:47

BrufordFreak wrote: Ah, Homo sapiens sapiens! We love to deconstruct, fragment, and categorize. Accommodate and assimilate. Define and redefine. Analyze and synthesize. Create and destroy. We are gods, each and every one of us. Only, we've become so immersed within the web of duality that we forget the Truth.    I am just so grateful for music!

Steven Wilson... My favourite album involving him has always been Sky Moves Sideways. HCE is not bad, but it is not even close to that in terms of musical style, and I know which one I like best. Whether it's prog or not, I don't care. I told someone earlier this week that I admire him more as a producer than as a musician/composer.

Raff wrote: If any of you think that not liking Wilson means one is against the contemporary prog scene, I am afraid you are sorely mistaken - at least if you are referring to Micky and me. I have spent the best part of the past six years supporting new bands and artists with my reviews (just click on either of the links in my signature if you want proof), and we both have spent a lot of money to attend concerts and festivals featuring mostly modern artists (including both Wilson and Porcupine Tree). So, rather offensive expressions such as the ones that appear in some of the posts above mine are out of place.

ole-the-first wrote: Loool, here comes the ultimate musical truth, I guess

tboyd1802 wrote: I had the pleasure of seeing Mr. Wison four times on the North American leg of his most recent tour. All of the shows were outstanding, the last night in Montreal was exceptional. The band (all exceptional musicians) was on fire, and he and the boys mixed up the standard tour set quite a bit, adding acoustic versions of "Trains" and "How is Your Life Today?",  and in addition, he road tested a new extended piece of music at this show. Just prior to the Montreal shows he did an extended interview as part of his participation in the Montreal Jazz Fest. It is available on YouTube here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Oo9UVpHedI&feature=youtu.be Regardless of whether or not you personally find resonance in Mr. Wilson's music, I've always found him to be very well spoken, intelligent and exceptionally knowledgable about music in general, his influences and their contributions to his music, and his music within today's industry and social context. At one point in the interview the interviewer asked him if he listens to any new music himself. His response - yes, I listen to about 10 new cd's a week. My guess is that there are very few of us fans who consume this much new music ourselves. In the end, who cares what we call his music. I for one admire him and all he has accomplished over the last  quarter century, and like his music very much.

Svetonio wrote: arrogantly self-assertive individuals who are in a fury against the contemporary progressive rock in general

There's a lot of people like these anywhere. It's a very typical reaction for everything that is new, not only in musical background, so no need to waste your time for proving them they're wrong. In the whole information current all those ignorant opinions are insufficient and turn vestigial quite soon.