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    Posted: October 29 2015 at 11:53
Prog is not a badge of honour you know. In fact most members on here love all kinds of different genres/styles. Just because something is to one's liking and vaguely experimental doesn't necessarily mean that it's prog.....the music doesn't lose anything by it. We are after all merely talking stickers here.
....and this is coming from a Dane who really digs Vola yet at the same time doesn't feel they fit on PA. I really dig The Fall as well, which were and are a lot more experimental and progressive in their approach to rock, yet don't really fit in on PA either.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2015 at 08:26
I just want them to write another good record.  

One can only hope that they are completely indifferent to the whims of those who define a genre, which, by its very nature, ignores boundaries and definitions.  In this light, this type of rejection is an accomplishment.

Inmazes is a great album.  Buy it now, without listening to it.  Oh wait, it's free.  Even better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2015 at 13:07
True, but like most bands in the genre that boarders prog (karnivool, rishloo, etc) there is a trend to stear to more prog tendencies after a breakthrough album. Judging on the band alone, there is a somewhat high likelihood to stay the same, but judging overall in the genre, there is a higher likelihood they will go the way of prog. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2015 at 10:32
re VOLA's steps in the future, i think that VOLA are the band who sincerely aspire for a certain mainstreamy popularity, that they already found their distinctive HEAVY POP style and that they are actually happy with their current style and 'feel', that they know very well how good they are at their own style and that their fan base grows, so they dont need any Prog. so i doubt that their next album will be Prog. But we'll see after all.
personally, I REALLY DO WISH all the best to VOLA in their future plans - WHATEVER IT IS.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2015 at 09:32
Very good point. I'm a huge fan of Vola and can settle for that. My expectations for their next album are high anyway. I think we can expect to see more complex arrangements and less focus on the singer. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2015 at 09:19
On one hand... they sound a bit like Mew and a couple lighter prog metal bands, but they definitely have a more commercial sound. There's no extremely odd compositional choices, a couple 'proggy' parts but it doesn't feel like an integral part of their sound.

I would say to keep a seriously close eye on them because they are teetering between prog and not, though they aren't famous enough to be considered for 'prog-related.' I would say their inclusion would be determined by their next release and what direction they decide to take.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2015 at 05:41
for example, Destiny Potato are far more complex than VOLA and yet the Destiny Potato's lead guitarist David Maxim Micic is already in the Prog Archives' Progressive Metal section as a solo artist as well, but Destiny Potato are also [heavy] Pop not Prog, so unanimously rejected for the Prog Archives.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2015 at 04:38
There are very subtle patterns, and structures are more complex that in typical pop songs indeed. 

Maybe it cannot be called prog because the main line and main beats are very much emphasized, while in prog non-lead lines, along with subbeats, are relatively enhanced.

Provided we agree on calling their style "Prog Power/Heavy Pop" :

If it were "Pop Power Heavy Prog"  it'd be prog.
If it is "Prog Power/Heavy Pop" it'll be classified in the prog subgenres of pop.

Well ?... 

Anyway many prog lovers are likely to enjoy that music; so why not create a "Prog Pop" thread in the General Music Discussions 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2015 at 20:11

^^^^nope.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2015 at 15:49
I didn't know that having and articulating an opinion is not well received as long as you don't have at least xxx posts at this holy prog website. Therefore, dear Shamal, please tell me how many posts I have to write exactly until I am accepted to articulate an opinion. However, why you take my claim to consider VOLA as Prog so serious? I have no problem to accept the decision to not include VOLA in your precious archive, trust me (it was a kind of democratic decision I suppose). But I like to express an opinion and I also like to argue with fellow Progfans. It's fun to deliberate on Prog issues as long as you don't insult others - and I really don't want to insult people with other opinions than me. And I am a big fan of Prog music in general, not only VOLA (the two bands I like most at the moment are LEPROUS and HAKEN, by the way). Conciliatory proposal: Couldn't we find a compromise that VOLA is "prog-related" somehow?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2015 at 00:12
Well there you go taking it too far and becoming a hypocrite.

I'm pretty sure Shamal's post was sincere and you turn around and look like an asshat. Great work. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2015 at 23:01
Just shows how sad your life is that you judge the quality of a person on the amount of posts they create on a website. I judge you on your comments. The quality of person you reveal yourself to be is that of a feeble troll who derives his false sense of superiority from ineffectual means. Have fun with your sad life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2015 at 22:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2015 at 22:51

^^^^ 8 posts?! hey man you're four times bigger connoisseur regards what is / what is not PA material than you colleague who wrote 2 posts in total at the PA Forum in this very moment!LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2015 at 22:29
Too far from prog? I'm sorry your outdated narrow view of prog doesn't find relevance in the modern age. It must difficult to know your unchanging, antiquated, and stubborn views on music reflect the very ideas prog music tries to defy. It is your right to believe Vola is not prog, but don't belittle people for believing they are.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2015 at 20:51

^^^^ i can see that you are a big, big fan of VOLA [i think so because it's quite rarely that a newbie with zero posts came straight to this subforum just to ask that already rejected band have to be reconsidered again] so you are free to write a whole book about VOLA as a hardcore fan of the band, but it can not put VOLA in the Prog Archives until VOLA eventually change their music direction towards Progressive Rock [what i dont believe that will happen in a near future due to the fact that currently they are too far from Prog].

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 19 2015 at 16:59
If we always knew "in advance" (or by a written or unwritten proglaw) - and for eternity - what the real nature of "prog" is, progressive Rock and Metal could never exist because transcending or pushing the boundaries in popular (Rock and Metal) music would never be possible (or is allowed but could not be filed under Prog ironically). Rock and Metal music, in this case, only exist and will exist as regressive Rock/Metal, even in "Prog". To give you an example: Indeed, Neal Morse Band and Dream Theater are now, 2015, "regressive" Rock and Metal in this sense (and I still like it a lot despite it is incredibly boring). Vola, on the other hand, is fresh, innovative, it is polyrhythmic, it has melodic counterpoints, it has 70ies and 80ies vibes, and it is (still) so "Metal" that you can bang your head...Smile Most important, as a criterion for Prog, it pushes the boundaries in Metal music by making Meshuggah riffs radio-friendly....


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2015 at 23:10
there is nothing of Progressive Rock aesthetic in their music. that smooth, one-dimensional mixture of Hard Rock guitar riffs and Dream Pop vocals, thats pretty far from Prog.
 
 
 
It's a gifted band without a doubt, it is the music that is so pleasant to listening to that we can say even that the Vola is a "radio-friendly" band, but it's not Prog Rock at all.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2015 at 16:55
I am very surprised and also disappointed that Vola is not seen as "Prog" by the wonderful people that run ProgArchives. I am Progfan since 30 years, I love everything from old school Progrock, old Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, Gentle Giant (and many more) to Progmetal from Rush, Dream Theater, Symphony X, Pain of Salvation, Opeth (and many more). But there is a "new wave" of Progressive Rock/Metal occurring since a couple of years that is transcending the boundaries to alleged "non-prog" music especially originating in 80ies pop. But undoubtedly this is music with a metal and a prog edge. Bands like Leprous, Caligula's Horse, even Haken and, of course, VOLA, are incredibly brutal, experimental (innovative) and beautiful at the same time. VOLA's album Inmazes alone is - in this perspective - more Prog than the last 3,4 Dream Theater albums (and i am a big, big Dream Theater fan, have seen them more than 20 times live). Therefore I ask you to reconsider the decision to exclude VOLA from ProgArchives. Just my 2 cents!Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2015 at 21:22
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ the PM team covers all metal genres...

I did not know this--though I had kind of figured it out when l went looking for other collaborator groups to send VOLA to.Embarrassed
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