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SteveG
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Topic: Why Punk? Posted: August 26 2015 at 14:25 |
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The perceived enemy of progressive rock, what caused the rise of punk rock in the seventies and why does its short reign still resonate today?
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 14:35 | ||
Punk might not have invented the entire "do-it-yourself" ethos of setting up your entire independent infrastructure of underground record labels, concert venues etc. separate from the mainstream music industry, but it certainly popularized that approach to doing things in music back in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
Then there's the fact that punk seems to function as a "cultural movement" first and a genre of music second. Here in Denmark, the hardcore punk music scene seems to have functioned as a meeting nexus and common social glue for people with far-left political loyalties. To the point that one of the first things that our newly elected right-wing government did after inauguration was to declare special emergency police action against crusties. (for vandalism rather than squatting though) Edited by Toaster Mantis - August 26 2015 at 14:40 |
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Floydoid
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 14:35 | ||
Good question mate. Punk tried to kill prog, and failed miserably.
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moosehead
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 14:36 | ||
Don't know much about punk but all I know is people got fed up of 20 minute long songs. Who knew? On another note Punk had a lot to do with the image as well. (Looking and living the punk lifestyle)
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SteveG
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 14:38 | ||
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SteveG
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 14:39 | ||
I think artists like Patti Smith get overlooked and her recordings still stand out.
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Floydoid
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 14:59 | ||
And to be honest, by the late 70's (post- 'Animals') prog was going a bit stale. |
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Svetonio
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:15 | ||
However, Punk was too simple to figure out, you know, "you've got an idea - make a song and play", and that quickly become boring even for the punk-rockers themselfs, so the bands with some talent were changed the music direction into more artistic post-punk. Also, Punk was a (sh*t) way of life that disappeared along with its protagonists who get older or, in worst cases, died by heroin overdose. Anyway, the fact is that the Punk was the last big movement of youth. Edited by Svetonio - August 26 2015 at 15:24 |
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moosehead
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:27 | ||
Uhm no? have you ever heard of something called Hip-Hop. A youth movement that began because they couldn't even afford their own instruments to play.
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Meltdowner
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:35 | ||
^^ Young people don't move these days
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moosehead
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:39 | ||
Not a good joke. Hip hop movement started way back in the 70s'
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Svetonio
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:39 | ||
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:40 | ||
Reading people's description in this thread of punk culture makes me wonder... how many of you have actually met any real live punks? I've got a lot of friends in that milieu, and none of them fit the stereotype you describe at all.
Punk created by the industry as an ideal field for exploitation? I thought punk did more to liberate rock music from the centralized music industry's exploitation than any other scene, by creating its own do-it-yourself distribution network. Not to mention I know plenty of people who still live by the ideals of punk culture, as ridiculous as it may seem to outsiders, or that a lot of the punk musicians I know are very talented instrumentalists even if they don't focus on long sprawling epics. |
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Meltdowner
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:43 | ||
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moosehead
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:51 | ||
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Smurph
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 15:54 | ||
I think punk became quickly obsolete once experimental punk and no-wave started showing up
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Svetonio
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 16:26 | ||
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dr wu23
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 17:46 | ||
Punk was the perceived enemy of all music other than punk. Frankly, I never cared for any of the punk stuff though there was definitely energy there.
Edited by dr wu23 - August 26 2015 at 17:48 |
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SteveG
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 18:07 | ||
Hmmm. As someone who grew up in NYC and was a young adult in the seventies, I can give you my take on the NYC punk scene, for what it's worth.
First off, NYC was the pits in the seventies. Greenwich Village became a rundown slum after the folk artists split for greener pastures and the fledgling punk scene was a kind of embodiment of the decay of the city, spiritually and morally. It was not uncommon to see someone like Paul Simon in a summer Central Park concert and then checkout the punks at CBGB's. Most punk bands were actually good musicians that played down their chops and played very sloppy sets as that's what the music called for. Sventonio is correct on one key point. Album sales were becoming big business in the seventies and record company scouts were all over NYC. That's how bands like Blue Oyster Cult got their start along with people like Billy Joel. Both were from neighboring Long Island. I, and my friends, generally preferred to escape the city drudgery by going to Madison Square Garden and seeing bands like ELP, Pink Floyd, Yes and Tull. We actually thought the whole punk thing would just be contained to NYC and eventually die out. The so-called first wave of the Velvet Underground and the MC5 were a joke. They were not popular in NYC and the Velvets actually took up residence in Boston, Mass. The MC5 stayed at home in Detroit, I assume. Punk did eventually die out and pretty quickly but not before doing a whirlwind on both coasts, crossing the Atlantic and spawning New Wave. That's how I remember it. Very quick and not making a lot of sense, even to a native New Yorker. |
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Polymorphia
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Posted: August 26 2015 at 18:49 | ||
Edited by Polymorphia - August 26 2015 at 18:51 |
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