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Posted: August 31 2015 at 20:27
O666 wrote:
One of the Progressive Rock important specifics is instrumental side of music IMO. I know some Prog fans (like me) that don't understand Italian or French languages BUT love many of Italian and French band and music. I want to talk about myself. I love Osaana , Nemo , PFM , Lazuli , Cherry Five , Ange etc. I don't note to lyrics and lyrics isn't important for me.
Christian themed music turns up in the weirdest of places. Sabbath's After Forever is very much so. But as the message come from the arbiters of Satan (... Sabbath...) then they refuse to listen. I know, I tried to tell a Christian once about this and was give "I refuse to listen".
Well, what God wants god gets.
I suppose if you play christian music backwards you get messages from god rather than the devil.
Christian themed music turns up in the weirdest of places. Sabbath's After Forever is very much so. But as the message come from the arbiters of Satan (... Sabbath...) then they refuse to listen. I know, I tried to tell a Christian once about this and was give "I refuse to listen".
Well, what God wants god gets.
I suppose if you play christian music backwards you get messages from god rather than the devil.
No, in the best case-situation just an angel speaking in tongues (worst case: a fallen angel). But I have read enough in the Bible during the last 30 years to believe that God does not practice backward masking.
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 06:45
someone_else wrote:
A subgenre Christian Prog aka CPR does not exist as such. It is the utmost form of crap to define a subgenre by the lyrics or the faith or religion of the believers. OK, a small minority of Christian musicians create prog music with Christian themes in their lyrical content, such as Neal Morse or Iona, or some lesser known bands like Saviour Machine, Ajalon or Flagship, but that does not put them in a bogus subgenre like "Christian Prog". Yikes!
Indeed! I am a Christian and enjoy some Kerry Livgren-inspired Kansas, some Neal Morse, some Iona, some Ajalon. Even a few that never made it (from southern California anyway): Aslan (a great prog band of the late 1970s-early 1980s with Christian influence); Michael Omartian (he made it much bigger as a studio musician for Steely Dan and Christopher Cross in the late 1970s) - to name a couple. But, to lump them into a sub-genre is demeaning. Do not blacklist them just because they are known as 'Christian.' Some of their albums are great pieces of prog! And that is how they should be known...
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 10:53
^ This isn't about personal life of musicians like their religion or beliefs. We talk about Music genre. As I said before In My Opinion we can't define a new genre based on content of lyrics.
^ This isn't about personal life of musicians like their religion or beliefs. We talk about Music genre. As I said before In My Opinion we can't define a new genre based on content of lyrics.
I agree, that definition CPR as a new genre is not systematically consistent. But if some artists are talking about CPR as about their new movement, anybody can - by my opinion - accept it as their own self-characterization across prog-rock subgenres.
By this POV You have tooooooo many options to add new genres. Imagine.....
I think, that is possible artists, which axplicitly claims, that they are CPR, additionally to nornal genres mark extra as CPR. Not that we must create table, where in rows are prog-rock sub-genres and in columns Christian denominations
Phenomen "CPR" is interesting thing in history of prog-rock
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 12:13
progresssaurus wrote:
O666 wrote:
By this POV You have tooooooo many options to add new genres. Imagine.....
I think, that is possible artists, which axplicitly claims, that they are CPR, additionally to nornal genres mark extra as CPR. Not that we must create table, where in rows are prog-rock sub-genres and in columns Christian denominations
Phenomen "CPR" is interesting thing in history of prog-rock
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 15:23
"Christian Progressive Rock" is the same sort of classification along the lines of "Christian Alt-Rock/Hard Rock/Heavy Metal" and "Christian Contemporary Music."
Kerry Livgren's A.D., Ajalon, Neal Morse (of course), Iona and Geoff Mann's post-Twelfth Night solo albums and bands Eh! Geoff Mann Band and The Bond are all examples of CPR.
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 15:34
I have a vague idea (isn't/wasn't Neil Morse a Christian progger at one juncture?). All I know is I love it when the late actor Jay Robinson shouts, "Chris-tian!" as Caligula in the '50's movies The Robe and Demetrius and the Gladiator.
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Posted: September 01 2015 at 19:48
JD wrote:
There are sooooo many "religious" lyrics, in not just christian music but in rock in general, why is it such big deal. Are people afraid they're being subjected to subterfuge and may inadvertently be turned into...GASP, a christian? Who care what the influence is for lyrics anyway. If the song is good it's good. Is ELP's version of Jerusalem not to be listened to because it's religious? (insert snide comments about why you don't listen to ELP here). But really, some religious lyrics are sappy and that detracts from the song, others are intelligent and enhance the song. I don't believe you can really generalize on christian or religious themes.
Well, I would say in general there is something suffocating about overtly religious content (for the non religious listener). It depends on whether the religion in question in the music is the same as your religion or not. My all time favourite musician ever, Ilayaraja, did a whole album of hymns in praise of Lord Shiva fused with Western classical music, including operatic vocals and heavily symphonic orchestration. I could APPRECIATE the album from a distance but never fell in love with it. I am Hindu only by birth and certainly not a devout one. I find it more inspiring when Stevie Wonder talks about how leaves turn to brown when autumn comes around (as a blind man he can't actually see that) than about God this and God that (Fulfillingness first finale). I respect that it works for people who are religious but I personally find that kind of music suffocating.
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