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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 27 2015 at 13:17 |
Smurph wrote:
Both awesome. Pawn Hearts wins because it is better than the album before it, while I feel like Acquiring the Taste is the best GG album. |
Strange reasoning but perfect conclusion
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t d wombat
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Posted: September 27 2015 at 18:38 |
I guess that in the main both of these acts appeal to pretty much the
same audience. Not for them the mellifluous tones of other less
experimental bands, rather they look for something that sets one's ears
on edge, gives them a good jolt, makes them think. VdGG take that
somewhat to the extremes, though there are worse while GG are somewhat
easier on the ear. During the semis I made mention of the fact that if I never heard PH
again it would be too soon but dedicated chap wot eye iz I put duty
before common sense and gave it yet another listen, yea even unto the
very end, though my senses did cry out for it to stop. Then did the same with Octo. Chalk and cheese. Setting
aside the pros and cons of cat strangling (or as this is jolly olde
Englande might not Badger Beating be more appropriate ?) for just one
moment I'm simply of the opinion that GG do it better than VdGG. Of the
two albums I have no doubt that Octopus is better written, better
arranged and better produced. I don't think there is lot between the two
musicianship wise, though the drumming on PH is pretty drear, which
gives O a slight edge there. Lyrically O is somewhat interesting while
avoidng the cliche ridden, faux spiritual drivel of PH. Ah the points,
they be a piling up. Then, to put the matter beyond doubt for me the wee Gentle
folk thankfully refrain from beating the badger or at least they have
the decency to do it behind closed doors and out of ear shot. That's not to say that PH
doesn't have it's moments but sadly there are just too few of them and
too many Badgers and/or pussy cats battered and forlorn.
Edited by t d wombat - September 27 2015 at 18:40
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Andrew B
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 27 2015 at 18:57 |
^ Enjoyed your analysis, thanks!
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Dellinger
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Posted: September 27 2015 at 21:52 |
Smurph wrote:
Both awesome. Pawn Hearts wins because it is better than the album before it, while I feel like Acquiring the Taste is the best GG album. | It's my favourite GG album too, closely followed by the debut. From their they went gradually lower in my apreciation.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: September 27 2015 at 23:52 |
Octopus is winning? Come on, people, at least make it a tie.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 04:05 |
Octopus. I like that album, even though I like the albums before more. Eclectic, adventurous... Very good. I like VdGG, but Pawn Hearts is one of my least favorite albums from their classic period.
So: Octopus.
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NutterAlert
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 05:07 |
Horn Parts
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NutterAlert
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 07:14 |
bollocks. can only vote once....
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 11:24 |
Close run thing as both are great, just going to give VDGG the slight edge.
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Ian
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digdug
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:43 |
Octopus for me
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Prog On!
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memowakeman
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 15:34 |
Octopus :)
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t d wombat
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 16:29 |
Whoops ... I was so engrossed in my pontificating, I forgot to actually vote. Garn the Octopus.
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Andrew B
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Horizons
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:22 |
Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well.
Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene.
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t d wombat
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:48 |
Horizons wrote:
Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well.
Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene. |
No you are not all on your lonesome. I certainly used to feel a bit iffy about GG and the vocals were a major part of that. Through the course of this I've given them much more of a listen and have come to appreciate them a lot more. They will never be my favourite group but I do now enjoy the quirkiness and damn good playing while the vocals simply don't irritate me the way Hammill's yowlng does. Otoh, my VdGG/Peter Hamill collection goes back thirty forty odd years and to be honest is probably still in pristine condition cos it very rarely gets an airing. Now that is not to say that Hammill is rubbish, just that I don't in the main particularly like what I hear. There are good, even great bits here and there but not enough to counteract t'other.
Edited by t d wombat - September 28 2015 at 20:00
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Andrew B
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 20:10 |
Horizons wrote:
Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's |
You are not the only one. However Octopus is the album where they most tone down the annoying tendencies of their vocals and most are pretty listenable. One reason it is my favorite GG album.
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sublime220
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 21:11 |
This is too close. C'mon baby, you can win this!!
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 21:18 |
If we were going by covers, I think we know who wins; I mean a beautiful, gallery-quality maritime painting or this
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HackettFan
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:02 |
Horizons wrote:
Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well.
Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene. |
No, you are not the only one. GG vocals annoy the hell out of me. I'm not crazy about VdGG either. I don't like that they have no regular guitarist, and they're often too stark and minimal for me. But Hammil's voice has never bothered me, and I do like the dual saxes, so I'll give them my vote.
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symphonicman
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:04 |
Gentle Giant, Octopus.
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twosteves
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:09 |
I like GG vocals mostly---and on Freehand for example the vocals are sublime--Hammil's vocals are the acquired taste.
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