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Poll Question: pick the winner of the 2015 PA's classic album tournament
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2015 at 13:17
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Both awesome. Pawn Hearts wins because it is better than the album before it, while I feel like Acquiring the Taste is the best GG album.
Strange reasoning but perfect conclusion
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2015 at 18:38
I guess that in the main both of these acts appeal to pretty much the same audience. Not for them the mellifluous tones of other less experimental bands,  rather they look for something that sets one's ears on edge, gives them a good jolt, makes them think. VdGG take that somewhat to the extremes, though there are worse while GG are somewhat easier on the ear.
During the semis I made mention of the fact that if I never heard PH again it would be too soon but dedicated chap wot eye iz I put duty before common sense and gave it yet another listen, yea even unto the very end, though my senses did cry out for it to stop. Then did the same with Octo. Chalk and cheese.
Setting aside the pros and cons of cat strangling (or as this is jolly olde Englande might not Badger Beating be more appropriate ?) for just one moment I'm simply of the opinion that GG do it better than VdGG. Of the two albums I have no doubt that Octopus is better written, better arranged and better produced. I don't think there is lot between the two musicianship wise, though the drumming on PH is pretty drear, which gives O a slight edge there. Lyrically O is somewhat interesting while avoidng the cliche ridden, faux spiritual drivel of PH. Ah the points, they be a piling up. Then, to put the matter beyond doubt for me the wee Gentle folk thankfully refrain from beating the badger or at least they have the decency to do it behind closed doors and out of ear shot. 
That's not to say that PH doesn't have it's moments but sadly there are just too few of them and too many Badgers and/or pussy cats battered and forlorn.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2015 at 18:57
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Enjoyed your analysis, thanks!LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2015 at 21:52
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Both awesome. Pawn Hearts wins because it is better than the album before it, while I feel like Acquiring the Taste is the best GG album.


It's my favourite GG album too, closely followed by the debut. From their they went gradually lower in my apreciation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2015 at 23:52
Octopus is winning? Come on, people, at least make it a tie.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 04:05
Octopus. I like that album, even though I like the albums before more. Eclectic, adventurous... Very good.
I like VdGG, but Pawn Hearts is one of my least favorite albums from their classic period.

So: Octopus.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 05:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 07:14
bollocks. can only vote once....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 11:24
Close run thing as both are great, just going to give VDGG the slight edge.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:43
Octopus for me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 15:34
Octopus :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 16:29
Whoops ... I was so engrossed in my pontificating, I forgot to actually vote. Embarrassed

Garn the Octopus.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:22
Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well. 

Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:48
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well. 

Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene. 


No you are not all on your lonesome. I certainly used to feel a bit iffy about GG and the vocals were a major part of that. Through the course of this I've given them much more of a listen and have come to appreciate them a lot more. They will never be my favourite group but I do now enjoy the quirkiness and damn good playing while the vocals simply don't irritate me the way Hammill's yowlng does.

Otoh, my VdGG/Peter Hamill collection goes back thirty forty odd years and to be honest is probably still in pristine condition cos it very rarely gets an airing. Now that is not to say that Hammill is rubbish, just that I don't in the main particularly like what I hear. There are good, even great bits here and there but not enough to counteract t'other.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 20:10
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's



You are not the only one.  However Octopus is the album where they most tone down the annoying tendencies of their vocals and most are pretty listenable.  One reason it is my favorite GG album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 21:11
This is too close. C'mon baby, you can win this!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 21:18
If we were going by covers, I think we know who wins;  I mean a beautiful, gallery-quality maritime painting


Gentle Giants «Octopus»


or this 

Derek and The Dominos – Layla / Bell Bottom Blues


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:02
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well. 

Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene. 
No, you are not the only one. GG vocals annoy the hell out of me. I'm not crazy about VdGG either. I don't like that they have no regular guitarist, and they're often too stark and minimal for me. But Hammil's voice has never bothered me, and I do like the dual saxes, so I'll give them my vote.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:04

Gentle Giant, Octopus.

Master James of St. George.
Of the fields and the sky.
He used to build castles of stone, steel, and blood.
But lines get broken down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:09
I like GG vocals mostly---and on Freehand for example the vocals are sublime--Hammil's vocals are the acquired taste.Big smile
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