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kenethlevine
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 13:31 |
me neither. They both use flute
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 14:14 |
Big Ears wrote:
- Early Birth Control, with an emphasis on the organ, sounded like Atomic Rooster and ELP, although they had a distinctive lead singer. - Skin Alley, with Nick Graham, were also a lot like Atomic Rooster. - The aforementioned Druid were a good live band, but they suddenly disappeared from the club scene. - Happy the Man were an American band that sounded like the Canterbury bands. I remember one of the Soft Machine musiicans saying there are Canterbury bands all over the world! - Bob Calvert's Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters is more like Hawkwind than Hawkwind. - Illusion were really the original and best Renaissance. - Isotope, with the amazing Gary Boyle, were the poor man's Mahavishnu Orchestra. - Klaatu were hyped as a Beatles copy. - Barclay James Harvest were called 'the poor man's Moody Blues,' but it was a compliment. - Osibisa copied Santana without the guitars, surprisingly successfully. - Rush, Montrose and Beckett ripped off Led Zeppelin in the early days and weren't bad either. - UK were an ELP copy but soon developed their own style.
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Illusion formed after the first Renaissance band folded after 2 albums..and sadly Relf died, so they picked up the pieces and went on without him as Illusion. But by that time Annie Haslam's Renaissance had been around for a while and Illusion never received any acclaim.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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presdoug
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 14:42 |
^Illusion featured, at one point, former Strange Days drummer Eddie McNeil.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 14:58 |
presdoug wrote:
^Illusion featured, at one point, former Strange Days drummer Eddie McNeil. |
I'm embarrassed....never heard of him or Strange Days. I'll look them up. I just played the first two Relf Renaissance albums yesterday....still think they are just about as good as anything Haslam's Renaissance did.
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cstack3
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 15:20 |
One important aspect of the clones = nearly none of them were able to approach the talent level of the original bands!
There is only one Bob Fripp, one Steve Howe, one Rick Wakeman etc.
Starcastle were great fun in concert, and they could blaze away, but the guitarists did not approach Howe in creativity nor talent. It was all highly derivative.
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 16:45 |
Sagichim wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Solaris are a Jethro Tull rip off. I love Solaris and it doesn't seem to bother me. |
What are you talking about? |
What am I talking about? Why don't you learn Solaris' music on an instrument and see how obvious it is? I mean ...if you can't hear the riffs from Thick As A Brick, War Child, and Songs From The Wood on the Solaris albums then I don't know what to tell you.
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 16:52 |
me neither. They both use flute [/QUO
Well....that seems kind like a silly thing to say, as if I'm pointing this out based on the obvious knowledge that they both use flutes. You should listen closely
Edited by TODDLER - October 08 2015 at 05:10
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verslibre
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 17:14 |
cstack3 wrote:
There is only one Bob Fripp, one Steve Howe, one Rick Wakeman etc. |
There is only one Steve Howe, indeed! And guys like Wakeman and Jan Hammer are among the fastest right-hand men when it comes to synth solos.
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Smurph
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 19:36 |
Some people think Yezda Urfa is sort of a clone band... but. I would never consider them such myself. I like their 2 albums more than I like almost any Yes or Gentle Giant record.
Also... the first Hands compilation shows that they sounded quite a bit like Kansas but I also think I prefer them.
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HackettFan
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 19:49 |
King Crimson's In the Wake of Poseidon is a rip off of King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King. Does that count?
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Smurph
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 19:55 |
HackettFan wrote:
King Crimson's In the Wake of Poseidon is a rip off of King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King. Does that count? |
haha. I think that album gets a bad rap but the only one that REALLY feels like a true ripoff is the Epitaph ripoff.
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 07 2015 at 20:20 |
McDonald & Giles wrote several songs while on the road with K.C. ...which if they had stayed with the band would have made up at least half of Poseidon. Maybe then it would have been more original and certainly not a copy cat version of their debut.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 08 2015 at 14:43 |
Smurph wrote:
Some people think Yezda Urfa is sort of a clone band... but. I would never consider them such myself. I like their 2 albums more than I like almost any Yes or Gentle Giant record.
Also... the first Hands compilation shows that they sounded quite a bit like Kansas but I also think I prefer them. |
Do you mean Hands as in the symph/prog fusion band....? If so they don't sound like Kansas to me, and imho they aren't even really symph prog. Never understood that classification.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 08 2015 at 14:45 |
HackettFan wrote:
King Crimson's In the Wake of Poseidon is a rip off of King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King. Does that count? |
How is it a rip off...?
If one looks at many (if not most bands, reg and prog) their second albums are often very similar to the first. So making an album in the same style is considered a rip off now...?
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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chazzaboy
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Posted: October 08 2015 at 15:09 |
Rip off - It was the follow up - der
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Raff
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Posted: October 08 2015 at 15:53 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Smurph wrote:
Some people think Yezda Urfa is sort of a clone band... but. I would never consider them such myself. I like their 2 albums more than I like almost any Yes or Gentle Giant record.
Also... the first Hands compilation shows that they sounded quite a bit like Kansas but I also think I prefer them. |
Do you mean Hands as in the symph/prog fusion band....? If so they don't sound like Kansas to me, and imho they aren't even really symph prog. Never understood that classification. |
Their latest album and the one before, Strangelet, are definitely not - nor do they sound remotely like Kansas. However, their earlier material (recorded in the late Seventies) may well have been different.
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dr wu23
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Posted: October 08 2015 at 16:09 |
Raff wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Smurph wrote:
Some people think Yezda Urfa is sort of a clone band... but. I would never consider them such myself. I like their 2 albums more than I like almost any Yes or Gentle Giant record.
Also... the first Hands compilation shows that they sounded quite a bit like Kansas but I also think I prefer them. |
Do you mean Hands as in the symph/prog fusion band....? If so they don't sound like Kansas to me, and imho they aren't even really symph prog. Never understood that classification. |
Their latest album and the one before, Strangelet, are definitely not - nor do they sound remotely like Kansas. However, their earlier material (recorded in the late Seventies) may well have been different.
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Well...the very first one is more of a Canterbury prog fusion thing and doesn't sound anything like Kansas imho. I am not that familiar with the 2 after that.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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Smurph
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Posted: October 08 2015 at 18:07 |
dr wu23 wrote:
Raff wrote:
dr wu23 wrote:
Smurph wrote:
Some people think Yezda Urfa is sort of a clone band... but. I would never consider them such myself. I like their 2 albums more than I like almost any Yes or Gentle Giant record.
Also... the first Hands compilation shows that they sounded quite a bit like Kansas but I also think I prefer them. |
Do you mean Hands as in the symph/prog fusion band....? If so they don't sound like Kansas to me, and imho they aren't even really symph prog. Never understood that classification. |
Their latest album and the one before, Strangelet, are definitely not - nor do they sound remotely like Kansas. However, their earlier material (recorded in the late Seventies) may well have been different.
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Well...the very first one is more of a Canterbury prog fusion thing and doesn't sound anything like Kansas imho. I am not that familiar with the 2 after that. |
I don't know Kansas well enough to know I guess... Maybe I'm just a
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 08 2015 at 21:52 |
dr wu23 wrote:
HackettFan wrote:
King Crimson's In the Wake of Poseidon is a rip off of King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King. Does that count? |
How is it a rip off...?
If one looks at many (if not most bands, reg and prog) their second albums are often very similar to the first. So making an album in the same style is considered a rip off now...?
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Of course! You can expect that kind of comment on a Prog website. The irony though is people who often make a comment like this continue to listen to Prog music that is a redundant collection of copy cat nonsense and then they turn around and point to an observation like this. An observation from 1970 instead of realizing it exists more in the 21st century than ever before. Hoist their own petard on that one.
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 08 2015 at 21:53 |
TODDLER wrote:
me neither. They both use flute [/QUO
Well....that seems kind of a silly thing to say, as if I'm pointing this out based on the obvious knowledge that they both use flutes. You should listen closely
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