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ClemofNazareth 
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 Posted: October 13 2015 at 13:42 |
 Dean wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
ClemofNazareth wrote:
- water (and other drinks) with ice in them at restaurants. See above, US beer is too damn cold, I have to tell them not to give me an iced glass. |
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Yup - ale should be served at cellar temperature, which is around 11°C/52°F, which is still pretty cold and just as refreshing so is not quite the "warm beer" we are sometimes accused of. Cold beer numbs the taste buds, which at 3°C/38°F is still not cold enough for me to want to drink lager or lite beer. However, my issue with having ice in drinks is two fold - one: you get less actual drink and two: when it melts it dilutes the drink.
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
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Yeah but free refills pretty much everywhere in the U.S. so not really an issue 
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: October 13 2015 at 14:43 |
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I've never in my life been given an iced glass for beer, that sounds like a myth that some crybaby Londoner made up so he could feel better about his warm Fullers
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TeleStrat
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Posted: October 13 2015 at 16:04 |
^ While I'm not arguing with the point you made, (I'll let a Londoner do that  ) I have had beer in a frosted mug. It's not that common because it's not practical. The mugs have to be in a freezer to get that desired layer of frost. However, back in the day A&W root beer stands were known for their frosty mugs.
Now that I think of it, I believe Joe Jost's in Long Beach served beer in frosted scooners.
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t d wombat
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Posted: October 13 2015 at 17:42 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
I'm not sure Rattlesnakes are a benefit.
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Craft Beer, National Parks are pretty common around the globe. Yes the US has some pretty good ones but so do other places. Admittedly your wines have improved. Jazz .... and Blues .... and yes Country ...... cannot take that away from the US but even so there is some pretty awful Jazz and Blues while there is also some superb Country. Food .... hard one. Amazingly enough the best Risotto I have ever eaten was in San Diego and yes I have spent a reasonable amount of time in Italy while Australia has some wonderful Italian restaurants so go figure. My overiding memory of American food is the sweetness and the absurd size of the servings. Everything seemed to be loaded with sugar and the servings are so large the waste is criminal. Even the Thai and Vietnamese was cloyingly sweet. And what is with the cheese in a bottle thing ? I'm with you on the Antis ... except for Country Music that is, though yes Nashville has a lot to answer for, little of it any good.
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Andrew B
“Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx
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t d wombat
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Posted: October 13 2015 at 17:51 |
ClemofNazareth wrote:
- no smoking in restaurants, elevators, hotels, busses, cabs, subways, pretty much anyplace other human beings might be inclined to breathe. Most European countries I've been to seem more like the U.S. thirty years ago as far as maturity of public health policies, especially as regards smoking. - elbow room. Maybe not in NYC or LA, but pretty much everywhere else. - roads and garages big enough for the cars that use them. - being able to drive just about anywhere I want without paying a toll (granted, this is less viable in the Northeast). - air conditioning. - water (and other drinks) with ice in them at restaurants. - diversity. Other countries may talk a good game but we've been all-in since day one, and have more countries and cultures represented among our citizenship than anywhere else on the planet. - Fahrenheit, pounds, miles, gallons and acres. Screw being like everyone else. |
I don't get the smoking in restaurants thing and I'm a smoker. Yes it is nice to have a smoke between courses but when that means being subjected to someone else's smoke while I'm eating then I'm content that smoking is banned in restaurants. The ice in drinks thing is overdone. Yes I like ice in my Vodka Tonic or Whisky but I'm more than happy to drink water without ice in it and I do hope you are not suggesting ice in beer or wine. I'm not a big beer drinker but must admit I do like a lager style beer in a frosty glass. Not Stout though. That most definitely needs to be drunk at cellar temperature.
Edited by t d wombat - October 13 2015 at 17:59
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Andrew B
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 13 2015 at 19:06 |
Dean wrote:
However, my issue with having ice in drinks is two fold - one: you get less actual drink and two: when it melts it dilutes the drink. The irony there is if you order a mineral water, the ice is made from tap water so as it melts your expensive Evian or Perrier spring-water that has been filtered through limestone over 5,000 years is gradually being diluted with common or garden tap water that has been treated in a chemical plant after passing through 6 other humans further upstream in the water course... |
Depends-- if I order an iced espresso, I like the dilution ice provides. If you've ever had a Vietnamese coffee (espresso & condensed milk) the ice is a key ingredient and helps cut the power of the French roast. Same with Coca cola: without ice it's a bit syrupy, and I much prefer Coke in a can to a plastic bottle, it just tastes better (and stays cold much longer in aluminum) .
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The T
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 09:48 |
Well you can buy tons of sh*t for decent prices (especially if you're a techie)
You can say absolutely anything (yes that's the one libertarian trait I never lost - because I agreed to it even before I went into my libertarian phase). Nobody can jail you for saying things.
On the other hand, you're very likely to be shot but a white guy if you go to college or the movies.
So stay home.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 10:33 |
I've dreamed about going to the Americas for as long as I can remember - especially The States. Back when I was a little kid it was foremost the native folks that attracted me. I've always been deeply fascinated by Indians and their unique bond with nature. One of the best childhood memories of mine is watching 'A Man Called Horse' with my father. Seeing Richard Harris dangling from the tee-pee roof in eagle's claws opened up something in me that is still with me to this day. I still love reading and watching movies about Indians.
Around the time I turned 13 my English teacher turned me onto The Beatniks after seeing my copy of Jack Kerouac's On The Road - a book I was only aware of because I was into The Doors and Jim Morrison, which basically led me to read most of what he'd been reading. I read everything I could get my hands on from Ginsberg and Kerouac to Corso and Burroughs. All of a sudden the US of A became the infinitely long stretches of road and the people you ran into along it. It became jazz, multi-cultural, dark but alluring alleyways, underground cultures, connected and apart all at once and something I wished to be part of....if only for a short ride.
I want to eat real hamburgers and visit all of the best local barbecue places with blues and jazz jams in the back, where there's plenty of beers and moonshine to be had. I want to walk in the desert. I want to climb mountains with a copy of Dharma Bums under my arm. I want to shout at a politician and talk to everyone else I meet. The list goes on for a while but the end result is still about a thousand good reasons to visit the US.
Now living there is an entirely different thing!!  Nah just kidding my home is and always have been where I hang my bat. I can see myself living just about anywhere, maybe except for places like North Korea and Chernobyl.
Edited by Guldbamsen - October 20 2015 at 11:04
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 10:43 |
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^ same here, but for me it was hot rods and dragster racing, eating in a real diner with a chromium plated soda fountain and red faux-leather covered stools, and driving around in a 427 Boss Mustang. Later in life I wanted to own a New York style Deli and then an English tea room introducing proper tea to the colonials. Ho-hum. Whatever happened to The American Dream...
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SteveG
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 10:54 |
I grew up in NYC, so my opinions are quite prejudiced. But I cannot imagine any cultural hot bed that can compare to NY and it's immediately surrounding areas. I'm one of the few 60's people that did not go to Woodstock, as it seems everyone else under thirty at the time did, and could have cared less. I had Carnegie Hall, the Met, Broadway and every other type of performing art center within easy travel distance to me and I've been absolutely blessed to see to some of the world's greatest performers in 'my backyard'.
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timothy leary
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 10:56 |
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What happened to the American dream.........the internet
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:02 |
Dean wrote:
^ same here, but for me it was hot rods and dragster racing, eating in a real diner with a chromium plated soda fountain and red faux-leather covered stools, and driving around in a 427 Boss Mustang. Later in life I wanted to own a New York style Deli and then an English tea room introducing proper tea to the colonials. Ho-hum. Whatever happened to The American Dream... |
Money in the bank!
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timothy leary
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:07 |
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Colonials? Lucky the colonials did not sail back to England and put Georgie in checkmate.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:11 |
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As much as I detest all war I'd still love to see a good pillow fight between England and USA. Settle things once and for all.
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SteveG
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:13 |
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Uh hum..Lend Lease anyone?
Edited by SteveG - October 20 2015 at 11:13
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:13 |
timothy leary wrote:
Colonials? Lucky the colonials did not sail back to England and put Georgie in checkmate. |
If they had we'd all be speaking French now.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:16 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
As much as I detest all war I'd still love to see a good pillow fight between England and USA. Settle things once and for all. |
Did someone say " pillow fight"? US vs. UK? ... Na-a-a-ah! I bet UK vs. AUS (Australia, not Austria) would be a much hotter fight.
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Dean
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:18 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
As much as I detest all war I'd still love to see a good pillow fight between England and USA. Settle things once and for all. |
Did someone say "pillow fight"? US vs. UK? ... Na-a-a-ah! I bet UK vs. AUS (Australia, not Austria) would be a much hotter fight. |
Why?
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SteveG
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:18 |
Dean wrote:
^ same here, but for me it was hot rods and dragster racing, eating in a real diner with a chromium plated soda fountain and red faux-leather covered stools, and driving around in a 427 Boss Mustang. Later in life I wanted to own a New York style Deli and then an English tea room introducing proper tea to the colonials. Ho-hum. Whatever happened to The American Dream... |
Strange I suppose, but I never owned a car until I was well into my thirties. I rode a 'souped up' subway with customized paint by a guy named Graffiti.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: October 20 2015 at 11:19 |
The ladies. ... But I digress. huh-hum. 
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