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Tillerman88
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 31 2015 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 495 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 14:33 | ||||
Howard Stern said: "I remember saying to him when he announced his presidency, I remember being quite amazed, because I remember him being for Hillary Clinton," Stern also said that he doesn't believe Trump has had a change of heart on issues like abortion, but is instead playing to his base. I wonder how much close to the nuclear button a man with his temperament might be. And up to which extent Trump's personality issues might stir him towards tapping into whatever powerful mindset he happens to meet on his base?
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 11:50 | ||||
Sad to say, that's basically it! And the damage it may cause to the US and world makes it all the sadder. I mentioned next Trump horror. Seems he is kicking around the idea of "totally destroying" the law that forbids political speeches by churches and other tax exempt religious organizations. Because he is giving the people what they want, and also ensuring fundamentalists can sleep easy about him. Now don't get me wrong, while it's not official I already think of churches as semi political, and they basically already push politicians but this would of course be a scary move, to have churches and $ becoming intertwined.
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 11:14 | ||||
aw, poor widdle itsy bitsy Don just wants to be loved, the poor widdle boy. someone give him a pacifier so he stops shouting
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20521 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 11:07 | ||||
I was saving this for the right post!
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 11:04 | ||||
Absolutely. And it should happen ASAP. I am infuriated at this "Eh demographics, let's just wait 20-30 years and all will be fine" Because accepting 20 years of Tea Party/Populist conservatism is a wonderful idea, just like winning the WH but remaining in the minority of Congress as you box yourself into a coastal urban party. Booker vs Warren. Both has its pros and cons. One though, is a donor class/big business Democrat. I hope the Party, voters, and media really simmer on 2016 and think hard about choices in the future. Sadly, the way many still blame everything on Earth but never Clinton, or still push weirdly un-Democratic ideals all so the party can win...worries me lessons will not be learned. I'm calling it a day as well. Gotta reload for the next Trump horror
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66007 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 11:00 | ||||
That is kind of what Howard Stern says here. http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/02/media/kfile-stern-on-trump/index.html
Trump wants an investigation because he really doesn't want to be president and is hoping that an investigation will make Hillary president. |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:56 | ||||
If you believe what his former top campaign adviser said, and I do, Trump was originally a protest vote, out to enhance his brand. Supposedly they would've been elated to make double digits in the polling. It was leaked later that Trump probably didn't expect to win, and when he dropped out was gunna endorse Christie. It was indeed all about his $ and ego. I mean, who wins and still wants to dispute the election? The man is President and needs to prove no he really DID win the pop vote! Sure this is partly a distraction, but does anyone think he doesn't mean it? He managed to take it all the way and is rewarding himself. Gets all the attention he can possibly dream of, and will enhance all his businesses. He wont harm his middle east interests, nor has he actually taken actions against China. He will let his stocks soar with deregulation, and I've read even his infrastructure plan while a good idea would be a boon for people, like himself. He gave campaign funds to his properties and continues to do so. The country, if not world, is a vehicle for him now. Pence, Bannon, Paul Ryan, Reince can all duke it out for what they can get done, he doesn't care. When the b*****d is done he will get book deals, speaking tours. If it wasn't for the very real impact he will have, I'd say the worst part of all this is Trump got away with it. He f**king won...
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Gamemako
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1184 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:55 | ||||
My point is that the base doesn't stand for race, or racism, or really much of anything. Opposing them on the basis of happenstance (like race) doesn't offer a means of addressing our divide, and it also plays into their corrupted narrative and galvanizes them around their own great nothing. If you just stoke the fires of this internecine culture war, eventually, the conflict is going nuclear. Maybe it's unavoidable, though. Maybe the second American Civil War is coming, and the history books will write how the once-proud USA was balkanized by idiocy (and then the next chapter will be the cold war between the Republic of California and the People's Democratic Republic of Texas ). |
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Hail Eris!
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20521 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:52 | ||||
As I've said, I myself cannot put aside race as underlying the Trump base. This does not need to be overt, only the nostalgia for 1950's America. That, along with the memories of a once thriving working class that is forever gone. Trump has tapped into that mindset brilliantly.
I will sign off by saying again that we American Dems need to understand the Trump base better. After all, they are us.
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:50 | ||||
I was not even offended so no apology is necessary |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:46 | ||||
That's Mick for ya! Would get me wound up hotter than the Sun over how arrogant and sure he was about the election. When I ask soooooo how did all that he go, literally leaves one line "Eh guess I was wrong watcha gunna do?" and pretend his months of commentary never happened. lol I do love ya Mick.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:44 | ||||
This! This is it. Anyone who's ever interacted with Trumpers can see it. They would just gush over him. No matter what you point out. Even when you explain how he wont do the ban (.....) or cant build the wall, legal challenges etc etc they didn't care. Just went on about him. All his hypocrisies and benefiting from Chinese labor. They didn't care. It was all about him. They love him. He is a true blue cult of personality indeed. You're right, as is SteveG, this aspect it what makes him different. Dangerous and difficult. It's like Reagan but far more extreme. It's why I think the only way he may fall is an economic crash and how he handles it. Because the die hards will never waver. He can shoot them, pee in the wound and laugh at em and they'll still vote for him. But die hards are not the majority (hell he didn't even get close a majority). If things go down the crapper I hope the rust belt and moderate/sane Republicans turn against. As depressing as all this is it really wouldn't have taken much to have gotten a Clinton win. I'll keep the faith. Oh and I agree, the "Is Trump actually racist?" thing is a distraction. I have no care either. I'd not be surprised if he is, given his past actions and his upbringing. Then again he may not be. If he's not racist, but is pandering solely for his gain I almost would find that sicker. But yes, it doesn't matter what he believes, it's how he governs.
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20521 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:43 | ||||
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10377 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:41 | ||||
I actually WAS American for the first 31 years of my life and lived in the USA for almost the first 24. after living in Germany for 7 years I decided to take up German citizenship because I wanted to be able to vote here, and since I don't have any of the necessary prerequisites to hold double citizenship under German law I had to give up my American citizenship |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20521 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:41 | ||||
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20521 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:37 | ||||
The strange thing is is that micky is the one who set me off, and he's not even pat of the discussion!
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:35 | ||||
To change the subject slightly: it seems apparent to me that
Trump, being a business man, has to be in all this for the money. |
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SteveG
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20521 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:32 | ||||
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SteveG
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Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:30 | ||||
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Gamemako
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1184 |
Posted: February 04 2017 at 10:27 | ||||
Might be worth your time to start reading about why conservatives are vulnerable to this sort of manipulation. I don't really care to argue whether Trump himself is a racist (he's said a lot of rather offensive things in the past, and since he never laughs, it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt), but it is certainly not necessarily applicable to the population at large. The real issue is the cult of personality underlying it all. The Republican party hasn't just been goaded until they froth at the mouth; they have been conditioned to believe in not ideas but people. Trump supporters don't talk about how they are going to implement Social Security reform; they don't even have any reforms on offer. Instead, they talk about how Trump is going to fix things, writ large, and how liberals -- often pronounced as a portmanteau with insults, such as libtard or liberast -- are the root of all evil and want enact some straw man dastardly motive. You can chip away at ideas, like racism. Ideas have some fundamental basis in logical or moral reasoning. You can't chip away at a personality. That is what makes Trumpism truly dangerous. |
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Hail Eris!
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