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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2016 at 18:44
^  California has had the "convicted of domestic violence" question on the background check form for a number of years. 
Interestingly, when the question was added a lot of police officers were no longer able to privately buy a firearm.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2016 at 01:13
Originally posted by LearsFool LearsFool wrote:

The Supreme Court gets stuff done: abortion restrictions in Texas are declared undue burdens and so unconstitutional, and people convicted for domestic violence can be restricted from owning firearms.

Indeed, and as 538 points out liberal decisions on abortion are not the norm for the Supreme Court. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/liberal-decisions-on-abortion-rights-arent-the-norm-at-the-supreme-court/?ex_cid=538fb

What's double crazy about this is we all thought, reasonably, the Roberts Court would be a solidly conservative one and be especially detrimental to abortion rights. In recent years the court has drifted to the left, mirroring Roberts sway towards the center, gotta love when those justices don't behave forever quite as you expect. 

The Roberts Court still passed Citizens United and the recent 4th amendment slashings Angry but deff a good pair of results! Clap


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2016 at 12:48
MO Governor Jay Nixon vetoed a bill passed that would've allowed concealed carry without training. 

Apparently MO law used to require a permit to carry concealed weapons, to get said permit required a background check and a gun training class. Seems very rational to me, and given gun nuts always go on about how people should be educated, trained etc etc about guns...I see no issue here, seems right up their ally. No one would be denied, unless they fail a background check or dont do the training, both of which I'd hope are pretty reasonable, if you want to carry a concealed weapon. 

I have no doubt they will flip a sh*t about itLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2016 at 20:31
Another bit of SC news, perhaps the last before their recess, and this time about what they didn't do: they will not be reviewing a case wherein pharmacists tried to stop giving out Plan B prescriptions because of their beliefs. In light of them losing their last appeal, that means they are left defeated.

Some bad news, continuing on from the military budget talk we had here a while back, is that Congress is trying to cut defense spending... by cutting troops' housing allowances. This is money military families absolutely need, and the savings from this cynical plan is a paltry two billion, nowhere near as much we'd save just by boosting the efficiency of programs like Tricare, without taking cash away from soldiers. Luckily, this is still in early stages, and hopefully won't survive the various votes it'll be facing.

Oh, and election-nerd food: Trump and other conservative talking heads are back into "unskewing the polls" mode. Why is this worth a mention? Well, Mittens got into this mindset with the help of Dick Morris in '12, and misused his ample resources in light of outdated, wishful thinking numbers. This helped ruin his campaign, and he and his family were left sincerely shocked on election night by the inevitable. Trump was already a fan of this brouhaha in '12, and now Morris is advising him. Another nail in the coffin - it's more metal than wood now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2016 at 04:19
Very sad. 
While I am strongly in favor of defense spending being cut, that is deff one of the worst ways to do it. 
I am far from an expert on this stuff, but I always gathered tons of spending ends up wasted in inefficiency, or goes to a bloated bureaucracy, and lots of it going to defense contractors. And as we know they are not often the best examples of sound business.LOL

I always figured there must be ways to cut defense spending, without making painful cuts to the actual people who serve. I mean...things were fine under Clinton as defense spending was falling, it soared under Bush so seemed rational to me going back to 2000 while perhaps painful short run, long run should be no issue. 

Just for curiosity sake, I wonder how much has spent through the GI Bill since its inception. It might be one of the, if not the, largest gov programs ever. Basically free college tuition for millions of people, plus low interest loans for housing, unemployment insurance and has been doing so since 1944. I'd also say it rivals Social Security in terms of success. Shame that today such an idea, on its own, would be socialism. 
I actually think that'd be great to do, explain it in generic terms to people on the right and see their reaction. Any horrified ones who yell socialism should then be told "Well I just described the GI bill"LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2016 at 06:03
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Very sad. 
While I am strongly in favor of defense spending being cut, that is deff one of the worst ways to do it. 
I am far from an expert on this stuff, but I always gathered tons of spending ends up wasted in inefficiency, or goes to a bloated bureaucracy, and lots of it going to defense contractors. And as we know they are not often the best examples of sound business.LOL

I always figured there must be ways to cut defense spending, without making painful cuts to the actual people who serve. I mean...things were fine under Clinton as defense spending was falling, it soared under Bush so seemed rational to me going back to 2000 while perhaps painful short run, long run should be no issue. 

Just for curiosity sake, I wonder how much has spent through the GI Bill since its inception. It might be one of the, if not the, largest gov programs ever. Basically free college tuition for millions of people, plus low interest loans for housing, unemployment insurance and has been doing so since 1944. I'd also say it rivals Social Security in terms of success. Shame that today such an idea, on its own, would be socialism. 
I actually think that'd be great to do, explain it in generic terms to people on the right and see their reaction. Any horrified ones who yell socialism should then be told "Well I just described the GI bill"LOL
Defence spending is something I know a little about because over the past 43 years I have worked on both sides of the supply-chain and (without going into long and boring detail that no one will read) things cost what they cost because they are expensive to make to the required standards and the infrastructure is as big as it needs be to ensure that those standards are met. The notion that bureaucracy, inefficiencies and greedy contractors are the cause of high defence costs is a fallacy - costs are proportional to the degree of reliability demanded. [the scale goes commercial < automotive < military/aero < space ... petrochemical, medical, nuclear and "down-hole" are separate from those and have their own associated costs and standards]

Now if you want to defend your country with equipment you can make from stuff bought from Home Depot and Radio Shack then sure it will be nice and cheap but that is little comfort to the serviceman facing down armed insurgents with equipment that is as reliable as the WiFi connection in a Holiday Inn. 

So when the public and/or politicians demand defence spending cuts while wanting the defence department to ensure their safety then personnel is the only practical area where cuts can be made. No company, business, industry or governing body should ever be run by accountants but most of them are.
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The GI Bill should be looked at in two ways since it changed when the government stopped drafting young men in 1973 and military service became voluntary. 
The old GI Bill did not give free college tuition to veterans. If a veteran chose to go to college they received a monthly assistance while they were in school and trust me, this assistance was minimal.
Veterans did nor receive low interest home loans. If a vet wanted to buy a home they applied to the VA for a certificate of eligibility. Their application was approved or denied based on their income and their credit rating. The vet would then go to a private lender just like anyone else applying for a home loan. This certificate meant that the government was backing the loan and if the vet lost their home the government would buy back the loan from the lender. Most vets did not lose their homes and did not cost the government one dime. By the way, when I bought my home the interest rate was 15% whether you were a veteran or not.
There were no unemployment benefits through the GI Bill. If a vet was laid off from their job they would go to the unemployment office and apply for benefits just like everyone else. If their application was approved they would receive the amount they were eligible to receive just like any non vet.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2016 at 01:09
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Very sad. 
While I am strongly in favor of defense spending being cut, that is deff one of the worst ways to do it. 
I am far from an expert on this stuff, but I always gathered tons of spending ends up wasted in inefficiency, or goes to a bloated bureaucracy, and lots of it going to defense contractors. And as we know they are not often the best examples of sound business.LOL

I always figured there must be ways to cut defense spending, without making painful cuts to the actual people who serve. I mean...things were fine under Clinton as defense spending was falling, it soared under Bush so seemed rational to me going back to 2000 while perhaps painful short run, long run should be no issue. 

Just for curiosity sake, I wonder how much has spent through the GI Bill since its inception. It might be one of the, if not the, largest gov programs ever. Basically free college tuition for millions of people, plus low interest loans for housing, unemployment insurance and has been doing so since 1944. I'd also say it rivals Social Security in terms of success. Shame that today such an idea, on its own, would be socialism. 
I actually think that'd be great to do, explain it in generic terms to people on the right and see their reaction. Any horrified ones who yell socialism should then be told "Well I just described the GI bill"LOL
Defence spending is something I know a little about because over the past 43 years I have worked on both sides of the supply-chain and (without going into long and boring detail that no one will read) things cost what they cost because they are expensive to make to the required standards and the infrastructure is as big as it needs be to ensure that those standards are met. The notion that bureaucracy, inefficiencies and greedy contractors are the cause of high defence costs is a fallacy - costs are proportional to the degree of reliability demanded. [the scale goes commercial < automotive < military/aero < space ... petrochemical, medical, nuclear and "down-hole" are separate from those and have their own associated costs and standards]

Now if you want to defend your country with equipment you can make from stuff bought from Home Depot and Radio Shack then sure it will be nice and cheap but that is little comfort to the serviceman facing down armed insurgents with equipment that is as reliable as the WiFi connection in a Holiday Inn. 

So when the public and/or politicians demand defence spending cuts while wanting the defence department to ensure their safety then personnel is the only practical area where cuts can be made. No company, business, industry or governing body should ever be run by accountants but most of them are.

I'd add to the last line...nor should countries, (or international political unions!) be run by accountants. The EU tries harder than the US, (while we yammer about it alot more) and sadly you guys are paying the price.
 
That all makes sense, and thank you for informing me. I also understand a lot of R&D is done via the military/defense contractors and that is something I am always for spending on. 
My question is then, what exactly has been the source of the the Bush surge in defense spending? We always hear about those greedy, corrupt defense contractors, the increasing amount of the war being fought by private military companies, etc etc  is there any validity to this, or was it simply the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If so, does seem like we should be able to scale back spending without much detriment (I mean it'll hurt people in the short run, but it could be argued that was an unsustainable level). 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2016 at 01:13
Originally posted by TeleStrat TeleStrat wrote:

The GI Bill should be looked at in two ways since it changed when the government stopped drafting young men in 1973 and military service became voluntary. 
The old GI Bill did not give free college tuition to veterans. If a veteran chose to go to college they received a monthly assistance while they were in school and trust me, this assistance was minimal.
Veterans did nor receive low interest home loans. If a vet wanted to buy a home they applied to the VA for a certificate of eligibility. Their application was approved or denied based on their income and their credit rating. The vet would then go to a private lender just like anyone else applying for a home loan. This certificate meant that the government was backing the loan and if the vet lost their home the government would buy back the loan from the lender. Most vets did not lose their homes and did not cost the government one dime. By the way, when I bought my home the interest rate was 15% whether you were a veteran or not.
There were no unemployment benefits through the GI Bill. If a vet was laid off from their job they would go to the unemployment office and apply for benefits just like everyone else. If their application was approved they would receive the amount they were eligible to receive just like any non vet.


Well that is interesting, it's certainly not what we're told. So what about the change in 73 prompted these changes? Extra "incentive" for people? 
Oh also I guess college also used to be much cheaper decades ago, so there's that to keep in mind. 
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

 
That all makes sense, and thank you for informing me. I also understand a lot of R&D is done via the military/defense contractors and that is something I am always for spending on. 
My question is then, what exactly has been the source of the the Bush surge in defense spending? We always hear about those greedy, corrupt defense contractors, the increasing amount of the war being fought by private military companies, etc etc  is there any validity to this, or was it simply the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If so, does seem like we should be able to scale back spending without much detriment (I mean it'll hurt people in the short run, but it could be argued that was an unsustainable level). 


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

 
That all makes sense, and thank you for informing me. I also understand a lot of R&D is done via the military/defense contractors and that is something I am always for spending on. 
My question is then, what exactly has been the source of the the Bush surge in defense spending? We always hear about those greedy, corrupt defense contractors, the increasing amount of the war being fought by private military companies, etc etc  is there any validity to this, or was it simply the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If so, does seem like we should be able to scale back spending without much detriment (I mean it'll hurt people in the short run, but it could be argued that was an unsustainable level). 

I am aware of the graph, but what I am asking is was it simply all due to the fact 2 wars were started, or is there any validity to some of the claims made above? Also why is it still so high? I get the 2 wars were responsible for most to all of the build up, but it's still at a high plateau even with the cuts, (which seem pretty benign when compared to post Korea, Vietnam and Cold War) Any idea why this is? That is what has boggled my mind, why it remains so high. So arguments about "hand outs" to defense contractors and etc do resonate because, well where is that spending going?

Still seems to me like we should be able to live at 2000 levels of defense spending. 
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

 
That all makes sense, and thank you for informing me. I also understand a lot of R&D is done via the military/defense contractors and that is something I am always for spending on. 
My question is then, what exactly has been the source of the the Bush surge in defense spending? We always hear about those greedy, corrupt defense contractors, the increasing amount of the war being fought by private military companies, etc etc  is there any validity to this, or was it simply the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If so, does seem like we should be able to scale back spending without much detriment (I mean it'll hurt people in the short run, but it could be argued that was an unsustainable level). 

I am aware of the graph, but what I am asking is was it simply all due to the fact 2 wars were started, or is there any validity to some of the claims made above? Also why is it still so high? I get the 2 wars were responsible for most to all of the build up, but it's still at a high plateau even with the cuts, (which seem pretty benign when compared to post Korea, Vietnam and Cold War) Any idea why this is? That is what has boggled my mind, why it remains so high. So arguments about "hand outs" to defense contractors and etc do resonate because, well where is that spending going?

Still seems to me like we should be able to live at 2000 levels of defense spending. 
Procurement is roughly 18% of budget whereas Operations & Maintenance is a smidgen under 50% ... as staffing levels are lower than ever then that means that the cost of running an armed force is more expensive than it used to be (probably because systems are more complex and more costly to maintain).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2016 at 08:44
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

 
That all makes sense, and thank you for informing me. I also understand a lot of R&D is done via the military/defense contractors and that is something I am always for spending on. 
My question is then, what exactly has been the source of the the Bush surge in defense spending? We always hear about those greedy, corrupt defense contractors, the increasing amount of the war being fought by private military companies, etc etc  is there any validity to this, or was it simply the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If so, does seem like we should be able to scale back spending without much detriment (I mean it'll hurt people in the short run, but it could be argued that was an unsustainable level). 

I am aware of the graph, but what I am asking is was it simply all due to the fact 2 wars were started, or is there any validity to some of the claims made above? Also why is it still so high? I get the 2 wars were responsible for most to all of the build up, but it's still at a high plateau even with the cuts, (which seem pretty benign when compared to post Korea, Vietnam and Cold War) Any idea why this is? That is what has boggled my mind, why it remains so high. So arguments about "hand outs" to defense contractors and etc do resonate because, well where is that spending going?

Still seems to me like we should be able to live at 2000 levels of defense spending. 


We maintain a standing military now and maintain a militaristic form of imperialism around the world. Even in times of peace there's not much cutting you can do because of this shift in policy post WWII.
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i wouldn't mind not having a standing army
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Standing is good for the back but bad for the feet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2016 at 10:24
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Standing is good for the back but bad for the feet.

We have a sitting army too for killing innocent people with drones :)
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Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Standing is good for the back but bad for the feet.

We have a sitting army too for killing innocent people with drones :)

If you just automated them to kill randomly you could get rid of the whole army. :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2016 at 17:16
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

We maintain a standing military now and maintain a militaristic form of imperialism around the world. Even in times of peace there's not much cutting you can do because of this shift in policy post WWII.

The difference being in the 1940s much of the world quietly endorsed the Pax (or pox) Americana as an outpost against totalitarian aggression.   Not so much anymore.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2016 at 12:44
The FBI recommends that the DOJ not file charges against Hillary Clinton in the email/server scandal. 

A lot of angry, red faces and steam coming out of the ears on one side of the aisle after this announcement. 


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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The FBI recommends that the DOJ not file charges against Hillary Clinton in the email/server scandal. 

A lot of angry, red faces and steam coming out of the ears on one side of the aisle after this announcement. 

No doubt the 'righties' are fit to be tied.......LOL........but the FBI Director claims the whole investigation was not influenced and was unbiased.

I wonder what 'The Donald' will have to say.....he'll probably spin it into some kind of conspiracy involving the Democrats. 
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