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maryes
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Topic: The most progressive album by Yes. Posted: May 01 2017 at 10:17 |
Very difficult choice, but I vote in Tales From Topographic Oceans !
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Posted: April 29 2017 at 22:51 |
Definitely Close To The Edge
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 10:17 |
They were all made in a spirit of being progressive, regardless of advanced special effects in some albums, so I'd point only the ones that weren't , such as the last ones (or so it seems).
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70sBoy
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 09:39 |
Topographic - it seems to be the summation of everything Yes were developing in the previous few years. I can't forget discovering on a tinny transistor listening to Radio Caroline around 6pm one 70s evening when stuck in bed with the flu. Talk about an epiphany moment.
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 05:26 |
90125. Progression is all about change and change boots listeners right in their comfort zone. Now they had crafted epics inside 4 - 7 minutes which caused an out cry among the prog establishment. How dare you pay songs in 5 minutes when it should take you 20. And memorable choruses... swoon.
Oddly this contrasts with the Tales fans who think it's too long and have actually edited their Tales so it's shorter; like y'know, a pop rock album.
Still you had 9012 Live The Solos. Or Union with it's songs on side 1 and a kind of conceptual side 2. Bit like the old days...
For progress from one to the other I'd probably pick The Yes Album Fragile through to Relayer is probably the peak as opposed to 90125 which really produced pique. ;)
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 21 2017 at 04:42 |
Topographic. That's it. Topographic. Not that their other albums aren't incredibly progressive, but really, Tooographic. I'm one of those weirdos that fell in love with the album from my first spin back around 1989......still have the (almost) pristine vinyl I bought back then. The Ancient was the piece that sealed the deal for me !! Just INCREDIBLE.
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Kepler62
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Posted: April 21 2017 at 04:22 |
Yessongs. It defined progrock of the early seventies and earned both them and Roger Dean a place in progrock folklore. They should have really thrown in the towel after Going For The One. Seriously.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: April 20 2017 at 21:53 |
I know I commented before but I'll reply again. If by progressive we mean the most ground breaking and daring then I'll say Relayer. It's not necessarily their best(although it is probably my personal favorite).
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akaBona
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Posted: April 20 2017 at 15:02 |
The one and only: Close To The Edge.
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cstack3
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Posted: April 19 2017 at 23:04 |
CTTE. It was one of the earliest of the long-song LPs issued, incorporated some very progressive instrumentation (Howe's use of electric sitar and pedal steel guitar, Wakeman's use of pipe organ etc.), and broke the mold for the genre.
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Mystic Mamba
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Posted: April 18 2017 at 20:38 |
This is an interesting question. No two albums by Yes have exactly the same stylistic approach, so it's hard to pin down one defining moment of "progression" in their discography. I think that the "proggiest" albums by Yes are undoubtedly TFTO and Relayer; and let's be honest, they really pushed their limits on those albums more than any others. Of course, Fragile and Close to the Edge were the albums that really defined the classic Yes sound, so an argument could be made for either of them. Then, there are the later albums; if progressive means blending the old with the new to create something fresh, the albums like Talk and Magnification were quite progressive, as the band experimented with some brand new ideas (incorporating prog metal and recording with a full orchestra, respectively). Really though, each Yes album brought something new to the table, so they were all progressive in their own way. For me, I have to go with TFTO; it's super eclectic and way beyond anything they had done up to that point.
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Posted: April 14 2017 at 09:45 |
The correct answer is:
Tales From Topographic Oceans
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 08:05 |
In know tens of albums that are as harsh sounding (in parts only, of course) like certain Kraut, King Crimson etc. as this but they are truly progressive, both musically and technically. Sacrificing the essence of (symphonic, (Yes are a symphonic prog band)) music, melody and harmony, which happens to be THEIR FORTE, for total favor of technical "competence" which in this case happens to be aimless pouching and jumping here and there just resulting in noise. And in total boredom in the last tune which is one of the most boring pop song from Yes and pretty much from any band. Progressive ? Give a break.
I have heard thousands of better balanced/sounding rock albums in any genre.
The same happened to GENESIS too, but luckily in lesser extent. The Lamb. Despite its brilliance in most parts/sections like "Hairless Heart" and "Waiting Room" I have never been excited about the end result as a concept album per se, the last parts, side four. As being lame and actually anti-climax to the previous stuff just heard before it doesnīt quite fulfill the promise for a perfect Epic Concept Double Album. And itīs too American in sound, style, images etc. A story of a Puerto Rican guy ? After a romanticism of Salmacis and old stories from 1871, and the really funny "Harold the Barrel" ? Not in a million years
Despite the wonderful Soon section, the decline of Prog starts right there. And there is no Rick Wakeman to breathe a little life into that corpse. Donīt get me wrong, it is not Patrick Moraz fault, he just gets the thankless job to fill the empty spaces but did the best he possibly could. If he just had got a little bit more space and time in the chaos the end result would had been much better. Poor Patrick, always got mistreated by his arrogant English fellows.
Dull stuff, well nobodyīs perfect. With the exception of some Italians, of course
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - April 05 2017 at 09:23
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 05:28 |
Son.of.Tiresias wrote:
micky wrote:
Terrapin Station wrote:
Honestly, for "most progressive," I'd probably say Fragile. They were approaching everything in a literally experimental way on that album, deconstructing normal song structures, normal ways of approaching instrumental parts, exploring contrapuntal structures in odd ways, and they were willing to try any and eveything--throwing together all sorts of different genres, especially on the short solo tracks.
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while Tales might have been the album that pushed the boundaries of prog to its zenith, as I often say, everything prog was worked itself up TO Tales.. everything after was downhill sylistically and it became a parody of itself (continued still today with all these f**king retro prog by teh numbers bands)
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Exactly. "...everything after TfTO was downhill" (in 1974 -75, to be exact but NOT all bands/artist) and not only stylistically but IN MUSICALLY. Hell with all styles, itīs the music that only matters, right ? "...became a parody of itself". Yes the mighty pioneers of Prog did nothing but. Yes tried to copy their own formula, The Edge (one epic + two shorter tracks) for the third time and everything fell into parts, resulting into noise (cacophony) (well, the last tune is the most boring POP song Iīve heard from then, or pretty any band. Progressive ? Give me a break. All is just as far as possible from the world of the Common Man, and Jon Andersonīs silly (really this time) lyrics and his worst singing ever donīt help either to apply what they are doing there. And master engineer Mr. Eddie Offord, what did he do beside digging his nose ? The most unbalanced album/work I have ever heard and I have heard thousands of albums. Honesty not his finest hour anyway. Well, amusing effort in all and just makes me laugh
No wonder punk happened in 1976, and punk has absolutely nothing to with Progīs decline. Prog killed its own bird.
1974 is the origin of storms.
Still after all, Jon Anderson despite his awful mistake is my hero from the early days and truly is one of the Giants of Prog. Peter Gabriel as well but I never ever cared about his work after 1975. Dull again.
"Tales from Topographic Oceans" from 1973 is the ultimate Prog Epic recorded, they may exist others as coherent works out there but itīs hard to beat.
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Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - April 05 2017 at 08:23
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 05:06 |
micky wrote:
[QUOTE=Terrapin Station]Honestly, for "most progressive," I'd probably say Fragile. They were approaching everything in a literally experimental way on that album, deconstructing normal song structures, normal ways of approaching instrumental parts, exploring contrapuntal structures in odd ways, and they were willing to try any and eveything--throwing together all sorts of different genres, especially on the short solo tracks.
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In a way yes but itīs fragile. Their forte has always been in shorts tunes and sheer melody really.
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - April 05 2017 at 08:17
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 04:33 |
Topographic............simples !!
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: April 05 2017 at 04:15 |
EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:
My fav is the Yes Album |
Wow, youīve got some taste ! Yes ! Mine too. Itīs the opposite to dull relayer, in everything really LOL. One of the Progīs most underestimated/noticed classics really. And one of the most positive albums from Yes and in entire Prog actually, their 4th best to my senses. Peter Banks RIP and Tony Kaye created an unique sound melting rock, pop, psych and avant-gard into a big symphonic sound. Very nice and very melodic really. In a way, the debut is the most prog of them all. They made Beatlesīs "Every Little Thing" stellar. They had some attitude to create very melodic yet heavy and above all positive stuff. They were the pioneers.
Edited by Son.of.Tiresias - April 05 2017 at 04:17
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Harmonicbliss
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Posted: February 24 2017 at 13:59 |
Tough Choice- i am going to go with Fragile- Although i consider "oceans" a close second!
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Pigab
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Posted: February 04 2017 at 06:11 |
Close to The Edge
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SteveG
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Posted: January 13 2017 at 13:32 |
How are you Rednight?
Yes, Relayer does have some madness in the method! Great descriptive.
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