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Frenetic Zetetic
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Topic: UK: UK vs KC: Discipline Posted: April 01 2018 at 13:45 |
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 31 2016 at 13:24 |
Hmm....25 to 39 is fairly close.......some board stats: Discipline rates 4.11 and UK comes in at 4.09 here on PA....not much difference. I'm a KC fan (probably my favorite prog band if push came to shove...) but with Belew on board Fripp went in a direction that wasn't my cup of tea. There are some nice tracks on Discipline: Frame By Frame, Elephant Talk, but it doesn't grab me and some of the other tracks just seem to be exercises in weird soundtrack music. And I don't like the way Belew sings either. And imho Fripp has nothing on Holdsworth who is his equal in technical ability ; though Fripp did invent the 'Frippertronic' thing, I have always thought many were his equal on guitar in general. And add in Wetton, Bruford, and Jobson....how can you go wrong with UK? In the end it's a matter of subjective taste as always but if I were sitting around with a craft beer I'm going to put UK on before Discipline....if those were my two choices.
Edited by dr wu23 - July 31 2016 at 13:27
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akaBona
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Posted: July 30 2016 at 16:48 |
I love UK, but it don't beat Discipline.
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Progosopher
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Posted: July 29 2016 at 23:26 |
Discipline is KC at their best - intricate, tight, groundbreaking, the music of insanity, innovative. While I enjoy UK's debut, it is one of those albums where I admire the musicianship more than anything else. It has never jelled with me.
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richardh
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Posted: July 29 2016 at 06:25 |
UK's debut is a masterpiece imo 80's KC never did a damn thing for me (Minimalism yuk)
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Blacksword
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Posted: July 29 2016 at 06:06 |
3 stars both. No real preference overall, although 'In the dead of Night' for me is better than anything on Discipline.
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uduwudu
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Posted: July 28 2016 at 20:44 |
The one with Bruford... er... Ok. Discipline for it's amazing future look while the UK is sort of like among the last of that era of symphonic prog rock.
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micky
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Posted: July 28 2016 at 17:16 |
Discipline by lightyears...
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Rednight
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Posted: July 28 2016 at 16:49 |
[QUOTE=twosteves]---interesting new direction for a prog band at just the right time---going from totally British sound to a more NYC sound---/QUOTE] Okay, I'm game. Define why it was the right time as well as what the "NYC sound" is.
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King of Loss
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Posted: July 28 2016 at 13:30 |
UK a centimeter over Discipline, which was not King Crimson's greatest album, but both are fantastic albums of their own. Quite hard to compare.
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O666
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Posted: July 28 2016 at 09:45 |
Discipline easily !
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twosteves
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Posted: July 28 2016 at 08:08 |
Discipline is more my thing---interesting new direction for a prog band at just the right time---going from totally British sound to a more NYC sound---never really loved UK----only Bruford project that was like just ok for me.
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Terrapin Station
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Posted: July 28 2016 at 06:35 |
UK is a good album. Discipline is a masterpiece.
(Do you need to get a certain amount of "points" before you can vote in polls, by the way?--Oops, I see this was answered immediately above my post. One more to go.)
Edited by Terrapin Station - July 28 2016 at 06:37
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CapnBearbossa
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Posted: July 27 2016 at 15:34 |
Magnum Vaeltaja wrote:
CapnBearbossa wrote:
I wonder how senior a member I have to be, before I can vote in polls? Hmmm.
Anyhow , I would vote for "Discipline" if I could.
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Ah, I see ... thanks, and cheers
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dr wu23
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Posted: July 27 2016 at 14:21 |
UK, both albums by them are excellent imho........I'm a fan of KC but Discipline just doesn't do it for me....but then I never have really cared that much for Belew's playing or singing.
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Rednight
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Posted: July 27 2016 at 10:53 |
Don't understand the love in this forum for Discipline; a rather sterile affair for the most part. At least UK 1 had some guts to it. And why hasn't Alaska been used in a foreboding segment of some great film yet?
Edited by Rednight - July 27 2016 at 10:53
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Roj
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Posted: July 27 2016 at 06:58 |
I have never been a huge fan of KC. They have their moments but Discipline was certainly not one of them. On the other hand, UK's debut is a classic and easily gets my vote. I'm surprised this poll is close, I would have expected Discipline to run away with it.
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digdug
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Posted: July 27 2016 at 06:34 |
UK by a wide margin
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Cristi
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Posted: July 27 2016 at 04:56 |
UK
80s KC does little for me
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Mormegil
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Posted: July 27 2016 at 04:34 |
Discipline +1
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Welcome to the middle of the film.
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