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Ghost Whistler
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Topic: Marillion and Me Posted: August 09 2016 at 12:56 |
Just ordered Clutching At Straws. I rather like Going Under.
Could care less about the demos of post CaS material, or Fish's solo career (except Shadowplay and Credo)
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Ghost Whistler
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Posted: August 07 2016 at 12:16 |
If the songs are good, that's all I care about.
But post - Sunlight, i think they struggle a bit, more than a bit actually.
I'm not oeverly keen to get back into Script or Fugazi though. I enjoyed those albums in the past, but Misplaced onwards show a greater maturity. MC has an interesting vibe I'd forgotten was there (been years since i listened to it) and is most certainly a product of its time, like all good records. Interestingly the music is much more stripped back. Straws continues this, but has a couple more naff tracks with too much lyrical emphasis on drink and drugs. By the time we get to Torch Song, we've heard plenty on the topic as it is.
Sugar Mice and Incommunicado can go though. The latter has an interesting intro and outro, but i've heard it way too many times, and the live version on La Gazza I didn't like. Whiule I really like Mosley's drumming, he has this annoying habit of ending every song, regardless of mood, with a 'da dum' drum fill.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: August 06 2016 at 17:43 |
Despite all the 'inconsistencies' the H-era holds, I find their blend of Rock-Pop-Indie-Prog sits fine with me. Sure, I love when they stretch the compositions out and do what they do best, but there's a lot of wit and cleverness put into the more direct tunes that I still admire a lot. It took me a long time to warm to after the superb Fish years though.
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Ghost Whistler
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Posted: August 06 2016 at 16:20 |
I picked up that cheap copy of Misplaced Childhood today.
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CapnBearbossa
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Posted: August 05 2016 at 17:02 |
Ghost Whistler wrote:
[....] What think you, good people of the Archives? What am I mssing? Help me appreciate the boys from Canterbury. Do people here even like Marillion?
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I have always liked Marillion foremost among neo prog bands, and I like the Hogarth era about as much as the Fish era, with caveats. "H"-era is possibly less even in terms of quality, and I think you're right that the lyrics by Fish were generally better. So, ... going in with a knowledge things will run a little hot-and-cold, it's better to start with an album with a more consistent quality and feel throughout. I personally like Anoraknophobia and took to it right away. A little bit skewed toward the pop end of the spectrum, but by this point the boys were pretty vocal about wanting to ditch their status as a "prog-band" as they felt it no longer described them anyway. Marbles was a slog at first, but once I saw what they were trying to do with it (emulate a sort of psychedelic Beatles/Pink Floyd hybrid style for one album ) I eased up and liked it much better. Controversially: I liked the Marbles follow-up "Somewhere Else" quite a bit and thought it was strong and quite original (especially for a band sometimes accused of aping various other bands). Your mileage may vary.
Edited by CapnBearbossa - August 05 2016 at 17:03
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Ghost Whistler
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Posted: August 05 2016 at 14:15 |
Weird coincedence. My friend got married today and Lavender was one of the songs played at the ceremony.
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RoeDent
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Posted: August 04 2016 at 12:00 |
Don't get the hate for Hooks in You, tbh. It's a thrilling rocker of a track.
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Ghost Whistler
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Posted: August 04 2016 at 11:45 |
I must say AoS is quite impressive, taking into account the subject matter. The Phil Spector pastiche is quite a bold move creatively.
I was sure Beautiful was a cover, but apparently not (unless there's another band with the same members).
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Ghost Whistler
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Posted: August 04 2016 at 08:06 |
Ok, so i now own Seasons End (cheap), Brave, and Afraid of Sunlight. Hooray for cheap labour on Amazon :D :( (it's not really a good thing, they are an awful company).
Sounds That Can't Be Made sounds promising. Maybe the new album won't suck as bad as the title makes it sound.
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 23:40 |
lazland wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Ghost Whistler wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Marillion for me is easily a top 10 band in my 40+ years of listening to music.
| Hey, if you like them then great! I'm not here to dismiss other people's preferences. This is just a friendly convo.
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No worries....don't take my reply in the wrong context. I'm not dissing you for "dismissing" Marillion, I am not taking your comments that way. I was merely pointing out it seems you are trying hard to "like" a band. I don't think most people like all albums a band puts out, especially when the catalog is as extensive as Marillion's.
Take the albums you like and enjoy them....I don't listen to Holidays/Eden on purpose, it pops up on a shuffle play and that's about it for me.
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Actually, Jose, I am sure that what you meant to say was people who don't "get", or like, Marillion need to be forcibly taken away by the men in white costs and subjected to a period of reeducation |
Clearly you understood my code.....
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lazland
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 22:41 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Ghost Whistler wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Marillion for me is easily a top 10 band in my 40+ years of listening to music.
| Hey, if you like them then great! I'm not here to dismiss other people's preferences. This is just a friendly convo.
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No worries....don't take my reply in the wrong context. I'm not dissing you for "dismissing" Marillion, I am not taking your comments that way. I was merely pointing out it seems you are trying hard to "like" a band. I don't think most people like all albums a band puts out, especially when the catalog is as extensive as Marillion's.
Take the albums you like and enjoy them....I don't listen to Holidays/Eden on purpose, it pops up on a shuffle play and that's about it for me.
| Actually, Jose, I am sure that what you meant to say was people who don't "get", or like, Marillion need to be forcibly taken away by the men in white costs and subjected to a period of reeducation
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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BunBun
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 15:57 |
Honestly, it sounds like you have gone through a big chunk of their catalog. I personally have failed to get into the band, and, like you, tried and tried. The one album I seem to really enjoy is Clutching at Straws, but, alas, that is when the band up and ditched Fish (just when things were getting good) and moved on with H. Post Fish Marillion has some good songs here and there but I haven't really enjoyed any of the albums. Anyways, there is something about Marillion that makes them appealing, which is why I spent a good amount of time on them (even returning to a few albums this past month) but at some point, you gotta admit when something isn't your thing.
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Catcher10
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 14:15 |
Ghost Whistler wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Marillion for me is easily a top 10 band in my 40+ years of listening to music.
| Hey, if you like them then great! I'm not here to dismiss other people's preferences. This is just a friendly convo.
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No worries....don't take my reply in the wrong context. I'm not dissing you for "dismissing" Marillion, I am not taking your comments that way. I was merely pointing out it seems you are trying hard to "like" a band. I don't think most people like all albums a band puts out, especially when the catalog is as extensive as Marillion's.
Take the albums you like and enjoy them....I don't listen to Holidays/Eden on purpose, it pops up on a shuffle play and that's about it for me.
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Blinkyjoh
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 13:50 |
Dry Land is catchy! Now i have it.
I'm a big fan of most of marillion (and Fish). They cross prog and pop boundary nicely for me. I love Rothery's guitar. Not so into fugazi, happiness, or about 1/3 of the content of each of the last few albums. If i understand what dirge is, H singing about his marbles is dirge to me :)
I don't think you are missing anything. You tried them, and some you like, some/most you don't like. Not everything will appeal. And being prog(related), sometimes the music will take 2 or 3 or 12 listens to hit you. If the band doesn't excite you move on there is lotsa stuff on here you might like more. Maaaybe Gazpacho? Riverside?
If you want to keep trying and aren't generally a fan of the lyrics, but you like Rothery's guitar, i'd suggest Rothery-Ghosts of Pripyat. I might listen to that tonight.
But Maybe you could also give If My Heart Was a Ball and Invisible Man another chance. You're Gone is like Dry Land for catchiness imho :)
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Ghost Whistler
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 13:01 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Marillion for me is easily a top 10 band in my 40+ years of listening to music.
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Hey, if you like them then great! I'm not here to dismiss other people's preferences. This is just a friendly convo.
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Ghost Whistler
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 12:49 |
This convo got a bt weird. I'm not trying to put down other people's preferences, just speak to my own. If you enjoy Fish's solo output or Marillion's impressive ouevre then more power to you. They are a band I would love to like for a variety of genuine reasons, but their output since the mid nities has me struggling.
I've ordered BRave and Afraid of Sunlight. But I can't get into This Strange Engine Onwards, though I need to give Marbles another listen and their more recent work. I have Seasons End on casette somewhere, but I'll try and find a CD copy for my collection. It would be good to have more homegrown prog in there. But I won't be buying Holidays in Eden, though currently I can't get Dry Land out of my bloody head!
I even brought a second hand copy of Hogarth's solo band from before he joined, which had Dry Land on it.
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Catcher10
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 12:31 |
Barbu wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
It is perfectly feasible to discuss music - even the stuff others like or dislike. |
Absolutely, as long as we don't go back to the glorious devilizing PA years.
Respect, gentlemen. |
Those were the Dream Theater days...ha!! In some ways the devilizing still exists here.
OP, seems you are trying very hard to "like" Marillion because pretty much you are describing them as a so-so band in your eyes. If you are trying to find something you like about them it seems to me you have covered the albums that most people like and enjoy about Marillion.
I have zero issues with H's voice or style, for me it fits the music well. As did Fish's voice in the early Marillion years.....I have never felt like I needed to find something in a band I liked, to me there are so many bands out there that I can spend my time trying to find one that appeals to me quicker.
Marillion for me is easily a top 10 band in my 40+ years of listening to music.
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Barbu
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 11:22 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
It is perfectly feasible to discuss music - even the stuff others like or dislike. |
Absolutely, as long as we don't go back to the glorious devilizing PA years. Respect, gentlemen.
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Ghost Whistler
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 10:15 |
I have just found Fish's solo output to be lacking.
He's an ok singer, but that was always the case.
I'm sorry if those preferences don't meet your own, but variety is the spice of life as they say :D
I just listened to (almost all of) Season's End again. It's a decent album with a pretty good vibe as quite a few records of that period did. The title track never deserved the hate it got. Even Holloway Girl isn't as offensive as it used to be, aside from the cheesy chorus.
Hooks in YOu can die in a fire though, utter bilge.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: August 03 2016 at 09:34 |
I guess it's only ok when Mosh takes a dump on contemporary music/artists. When others do it it's killing the music...yet when the maestro pulls out all the stops and bashes pretty much every modern artists out there for not being Djam Karet, it is a-ok. Funny how these things work.
It is perfectly feasible to discuss music - even the stuff others like or dislike.
Edited by Guldbamsen - August 03 2016 at 12:12
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