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goose
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Topic: why all these different releases? Posted: July 02 2004 at 09:04 |
In Japan it's cheaper to import CDs than to buy their domestic ones, I believe. I think it was the Pain of Salvation guy that said that. It makes sense why Japanese imports are so much more expensive than other releases in this country as well, I mean obviously it costs money to import them but Euro/US imports would be maybe 16 or 17 quid and Japanese ones often up to 25 quid or even more. However, if I've paid the full price of a domestic CD i'll generally download any worthwhile tracks only available on import.
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Velvetclown
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548 |
Posted: July 02 2004 at 08:04 |
The Japanese people are short , thatīs why they need longer cds
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 02 2004 at 06:03 |
Yes I agree - but I sort of solved that problem by buying the 6 CD set(?) of Fleetwood Mac's Complete Blue Horizon Sessions (strongly recommended , if you can afford it). BTW if you are a Peter Green's FM fan, do you know the work of the late Duster Bennett (Blue Horizon originally had three British signings PG's FM, Chicken Shack and Duster Bennett) - Bennett wrote the much covered Jumpin' At Shadows. I wish Sony/Blue Horizon would reissue his back catalogue. There are some Bennett outtakes, home recordings and demos released on the British label Indigo through the 90's, on which I discovered King Crimson's rhythm section Wallace and Burrell played. |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: July 01 2004 at 14:26 |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 01 2004 at 05:15 |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: June 30 2004 at 14:46 |
I agree up to a point Dick, but I reckon the market for the various overseas versions is somewhat limited. Only the true obsessive will buy a Japanese, US and British version of the same album. Where I would agree is when albums are constantly re-released for the same market. The Yes back catalogue for example has been re-released at least three times on CD - The early analogue copy, digital remaster, and expanded remaster (weren't there also replica LP sleeves?). In Uriah Heep's case, it's 4, as we now have deluxe expanded remasters. The "discovery" of previously unreleased tracks which are added to the re-releases is of course designed to tempt fans to buy the album once again. This in turn leads to a flood of the older versions in second hand CD shops being sold for buttons. It's sad too that in many cases, the band members do not benefit from sales of the re-releases, other than from the renewed interest. In many cases (such as Camel and Uriah Heep) they have long since lost any rights to their works. Hence also the plethora of compilations and repackagings (Hawkwind lead the pack here!). Another thread perhaps - what's the most versions of the same album (or same track) you have in your collection? |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: June 30 2004 at 05:45 |
Come on. As ever this is a record company scam to get more copies sold and to fatten their profits. The original issue of Genesis's Abacab had 4 different covers to chose from. There is another scam, issue a CD single, which many of the fan will have already on an album, but the record company has it remixed it or add a bonus track not seen before, and the psychological reaction is: I haven't got that one and I need it. Always ask yourself why that track wasn't worthy of inclusion on the album in the first place. And whilst we're here a lot of album get remastered, over and over again. How often can you spot the difference? I see Mahavishnu Orchestra's "Inner Mounting Flame" is get the treatment again - this is after many fans complained the second remaster of "Birds Of Fire" sounded worse than the unremastered original CD release! - however the bait for you to buy again, is a second CD in this double set of a live performance!!! On that thought, I've just thought of a new thread to start elsewhere on this site - what albums still remain and should be remastered? |
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diddy
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Posted: June 29 2004 at 16:20 |
Yes indeed, some bands even make whole albums just for the japanese market.
But the thing with the price must be true, I read it somewhere and it makes sense. You can also get some of the releases here. I found some Yes and Zappa Japan albums in a shop, they are really expensive and have LOTS of bonus material...
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Easy Livin
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Posted: June 29 2004 at 15:30 |
I think its also to disuade people from importing from other countries before the offical release date in their own country. The bonus tracks tend to be added to the later releases. Interesting what you say about prices in Japan, Diddy. It makes it even more ironic that a lot of things seem to be available there on CD, which are never released anywhere else.
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diddy
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Posted: June 29 2004 at 12:34 |
I just know why there are Japanese releases:
I read that CDs are VERY expensive in Japan. So people would not buy ANY album with 40 minutes music on it. That's the reason why bands create Japan releases with bonus Tracks or other bonus material (mostly live recordings). That's what I read about it... Edited by diddy |
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Aquarius
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Posted: June 29 2004 at 12:31 |
For some albums there are different American , European and Japanese releases. I wonder why. Lots of Japanese releases have bonus tracks. Not fair!! |
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