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Points: 24011 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 13 2017 at 11:49
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Uh....I'd like to know which Morse album was reviewed here at PA that started all the brouhaha....?
 
It was this review (68 likes and counting Wacko). But The album's name is The Similitude of a Dream, in case you don't want to spend time on this rubble. At least Neal's preaching is fruitful as it causes so much controversy LOL.


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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Uh....I'd like to know which Morse album was reviewed here at PA that started all the brouhaha....?
 
It was this review (68 likes and counting Wacko). But The album's name is The Similitude of a Dream, in case you don't want to spend time on this rubble. At least Neal's preaching is fruitful as it causes so much controversy LOL.



I think you'll find the 68 `likes' is mostly people just blindly `liking' the album popping up on the Facebook page, not what's being written about it!
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Thanks..I found the review.

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I can't be bothered to quote in these captcha times but I'll just leave Barney with the following snippet taken directly from the site's guidelines:

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I wish I could leave it at that but...

Barney, your 'review' was outright abusive. It is not because you aren't allowed to critisise religion or any matter for that sake - it is however the MANNER in which you do so. We are a lot of members on PA who openly critisise religion, and some even take it too far from time to time, but you've been on a yearlong overly abusive crusade that quite frankly doesn't suit a man of your age. It is childish and actually having to spell all of this out to you is bordering on work in the local kindergarden - believe me I know.
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I was brought up as a Christian but I stopped going to Church on my early-teens. I've pretty much become an Atheist over the years - but Neil's rantings don't bother me at all - he sings well, his music is fantastic. Why bother with his lyrical subject matter ??
Ditto Slayer - dodge-ball lyrics ; morbid, hideous, grotesque etc. They are just a bunch of words to go with the music. Anyone can enjoy anything, as long as the participant is willing.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Uh....I'd like to know which Morse album was reviewed here at PA that started all the brouhaha....?

Never mind....I found the review. I thought Barney was right on about the fact that it's getting a bit  tedious on the religious level, but not enough about the actual music.
I thought long and hard - before I put 0's and 1's into a word-pad document.
It was deliberate that I mentioned the music with the one line - emphasising that the music/lyrical content ratio is annoying - more - so because the music that back's it up is sublime. If the CD had been released with a instrumental version - I would have been as happy as a kid in a toyshop!
I have two - Nightwish CD's - which both come with instrumental CD's (interestingly both CD's have quite rational / humanist non religious lyrics, so maybe they have released the music for those who would be offended by non-religious rationalism Wink).
I do not think that my review broke the guidelines - Mod's - do you disagree? No profanity - or vulgarity - just a bit of satire and dismantling a faith-based world-view? Perhaps those who disagree would like me to be executed for blasphemy? Just a thought.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

No profanity - or vulgarity - just a bit of satire and dismantling a faith-based world-view? Perhaps those who disagree would like me to be executed for blasphemy? Just a thought.
Speaking as an atheist, I wish you'd just give it a rest. The hysterical ranting in your review is exactly the kind of thing that gives the rest of us non-believers a bad name. It doesn't do anything to 'dismantle a faith-based world-view' and will not change anyone's mind about anything. The suggestion that people who disagree with you are zealots who'd see you executed for blasphemy is just silly and demeaning.

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The real question lurking under this thread for the whole time:

Are Christians able to enjoy Neal Morse's music? 
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

 The hysterical ranting in your review is exactly the kind of thing that gives the rest of us non-believers a bad name.

Apart from prog (obviously via this site), the only inherent thing we have in common (generally speaking) is that we don't believe in that religion. How are we a definable "group" because we don't believe in that? 


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Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

 The hysterical ranting in your review is exactly the kind of thing that gives the rest of us non-believers a bad name.

Apart from prog (obviously via this site), the only inherent thing we have in common (generally speaking) is that we don't believe in that religion. How are we a definable "group" because we don't believe in that? 

Any religion surely?

I agree that "we" aren't a group in any meaningful sense, and could have expressed myself better.  I was actually trying to put across my sense of chagrin when I read stuff like Barney's that some may be lead to believe this kind of polarising rhetoric is representative of those who don't think deities, souls etc are a thing.


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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

 The hysterical ranting in your review is exactly the kind of thing that gives the rest of us non-believers a bad name.

Apart from prog (obviously via this site), the only inherent thing we have in common (generally speaking) is that we don't believe in that religion. How are we a definable "group" because we don't believe in that? 

Any religion surely?

I agree that "we" aren't a group in any meaningful sense, and could have expressed myself better.  I was actually trying to put across my sense of chagrin when I read stuff like Barney's that some may be lead to believe this kind of polarising rhetoric is representative of those who don't think deities, souls etc are a thing.

Yes, I don't believe in any religion whatsoever. 

It just irked me a little the suggestion of sorts of atheists as a 'group' and I see now you meant the opposite. 


At the end of it for me though, it feels ridiculous that there is even a word called 'atheism' aka, like religion is just a default you are born with, lol


Edited by Thatfabulousalien - July 14 2017 at 03:00
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When one realises that there is no 'God' or 'higher' being, only then shall the World realise we are just mere mortals.
Only basic psychology will annihilate the weak.......
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

When one realises that there is no 'God' or 'higher' being, only then shall the World realise we are just mere mortals.
Only basic psychology will annihilate the weak.......

No only that but how fragile we are, something I suspect many aren't ready to admit (like, "look at me, I lift weights"?) 

Ironically, it's a crisis for many but it's not even important, it's ego. 




Big deep things on a thread about the ex-singer of Spocks Beard?  lol
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Deja vu 
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

^ Great Maiden song

Great song, Best album? imo

Btw, my extreme metal collection has been catching up to me a little lately. Too much avant garde, not enough thrash! 
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

No profanity - or vulgarity - just a bit of satire and dismantling a faith-based world-view? Perhaps those who disagree would like me to be executed for blasphemy? Just a thought.
Speaking as an atheist, I wish you'd just give it a rest. The hysterical ranting in your review is exactly the kind of thing that gives the rest of us non-believers a bad name. It doesn't do anything to 'dismantle a faith-based world-view' and will not change anyone's mind about anything. The suggestion that people who disagree with you are zealots who'd see you executed for blasphemy is just silly and demeaning.
"Hysterical Ranting"? - My review was nothing of the sort. And as I said before (I hate repeating myself) I don't identify with any group particularly the "strident" atheist group (I am homo sapiens and that's as far as the grouping should go (seriously)) - the main thrust of my review was that (lyrically) - Morse was just re-hashing his usual dogma - and who would argue with that?
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