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Dean 
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Posted: January 28 2017 at 05:18 |
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Please, have some respect for Prog royalty, "that woman" is Mrs Fripp!
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Posted: January 28 2017 at 01:03 |
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Posted: January 26 2017 at 15:50 |
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Posted: January 26 2017 at 14:13 |
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Are there names that go with these remixes albums? Someone put a lot of time and skill into creating them. It would be kind of funny if they were not credited to any individuals. |
The Yes one was done by Steve Howe's son Dylan. If I remember rightly he did one track and played it to Steve who gave his approval, so he did a whole album.
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Nope. It was the the pilot of Thunderbird 2, Virgil Howe
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Posted: January 26 2017 at 11:59 |
brainstormer wrote:
Are there names that go with these remixes albums? Someone put a lot of time and skill into creating them. It would be kind of funny if they were not credited to any individuals. |
The Yes one was done by Steve Howe's son Dylan. If I remember rightly he did one track and played it to Steve who gave his approval, so he did a whole album.
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Posted: January 24 2017 at 20:02 |
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Are there names that go with these remixes albums? Someone put a lot of time and skill into creating them. It would be kind of funny if they were not credited to any individuals.
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 18:42 |
Why does everything have to be a dance remix? Why do we have to dance to music? Why cant we enjoy music without flailing about to it with our bodies like an idiot? Seems a little savage and pointless. Most of the time it's forced into this poor excuse for 4/4 timing that ruins everything anyway.
What's next? Dance remix of Brian Eno's Thursday Afternoon? King Crimson's Larks Tongues in Aspic? Henry Cow's War? Could you even imagine how pointless any of this would be?
Seriously ... Put your Novation Launchpads away and make some of your own original music.
Edited by cemego - January 23 2017 at 18:54
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Posted: January 16 2017 at 00:17 |
BaldJean wrote:
the remastered version of "Yessongs" is absolutely horrible. the album does not even sound live anymore
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MOST "remastered" versions of old albums sound terrible. Mainly due to overcompression.
Cheers, J.
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Posted: January 14 2017 at 14:12 |
"Progressive music is anything but purist in spirit."
"Give me good rock, good jazz, good pop, but don't butcher what's already great"
Yes.......... a thoughts that I've stumbled upon here quite a few times ... But hey I see no need for this, hell just look at out........ there's plenty of good music out there just waiting for literally anyone, here or anywhere, not just for the specialist, or the eclectic listener, or whoever on this planet might be concerned on music forums. The appreciation of good music doesn't need to attach any label to it, neither any previous estimation , nor any sort of music listening experience..............just think about that .
Edited by Tillerman88 - January 14 2017 at 14:13
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Posted: January 14 2017 at 12:50 |
Terrapin Station wrote:
I can see if someone just doesn't like that style of music--EDM/techno/trance/etc., but it seems like a lot of fans have a problem with the albums from what's essentially a purist perspective--they don't like the idea of tampering with the original tunes, with experimenting and doing something different with them, etc. That seems against the core spirit of progressive rock/progressive music in general to me, though. Progressive music is anything but purist in spirit.
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There's a huge difference between doing something new and just taking snippets of songs, adding a 4/4 electronic beat and nothing more.
Give me good rock, good jazz, good POP, but don't butcher what it's already great.
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Posted: January 14 2017 at 12:49 |
Terrapin Station wrote:
Dean wrote:
An inference is a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence or reasoning, therefore it was not an assumption formed without facts but an inference since there was evidence in what you said and how you said it, albeit incomplete evidence. However since this evidence (i.e the facts) here were scant then the reasoning was evidently flawed and my interpretation of what you implied was apparently false. Both assumed and inferred conclusions can produce the same result so can be true or false but not both.  |
So you were saying that my comment, "I don't think that's true, though--that prog fans tend to be more
broadminded. You'd expect that, but they seem to be just as
narrow-minded and purism-oriented as fans of any sort of music are," wasn't based on any empirical evidence or reasoning whatsoever?
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Hang on, are you now saying that what you originally claimed was an opinion is now an inference?
Okay - whatever floats your boat. 
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Posted: January 14 2017 at 12:09 |
Dean wrote:
An inference is a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence or reasoning, therefore it was not an assumption formed without facts but an inference since there was evidence in what you said and how you said it, albeit incomplete evidence. However since this evidence (i.e the facts) here were scant then the reasoning was evidently flawed and my interpretation of what you implied was apparently false. Both assumed and inferred conclusions can produce the same result so can be true or false but not both. |
So you were saying that my comment, "I don't think that's true, though--that prog fans tend to be more
broadminded. You'd expect that, but they seem to be just as
narrow-minded and purism-oriented as fans of any sort of music are," wasn't based on any empirical evidence or reasoning whatsoever?
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Posted: January 14 2017 at 11:15 |
Brain Salad Perjury is a crime against music.
I'm one of the few that wrote a review of this aberration that came to my hands by accident:
 I almost never make short reviews but in this case I will make an exception because......What can I say about a box set composed of remixes of ELP tracks?
I thought there could be at least one or two decent songs, but no, I was wrong, all are tedious, repetitive, boring and less than mediocre (Except maybe a cute version of I Believe in Father Christmas).
I heard the full album once because I was in a reunion and the owner of the house loved it (Of course he and his wife believed Trilogy and BSS sucked), after 20 minutes of torture I was tempted to escape by a window but his apartment was in a tenth floor, to make it worst it got mixed with my Cd's and tried some songs in my house but there was no improvement, so I took it back to him after one day.
But the real crime is that they are trying to sell us 7 different versions of Fanfare for the Common Man, each one worst than the previous, all butchered by different DJ's, I can't imagine how many copies they sold, because the people interested in remixes won't buy an ELP album and very few hardcore fans will pay for this because it's simply the opposite of what the band represents.
It's painful to see a once amazing band loosing the credibility they still have with this album, my honest recommendation is to avoid it by all means, if you see it in a store, go to another one, if not for you, do it for the band, they don't deserve to be remembered for this box set after so many great albums.
Sadly I can't give less than one star because IMHO this album should deserve a negative average.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 14 2017 at 11:15
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Posted: January 14 2017 at 10:25 |
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Terrapin Station
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Posted: January 14 2017 at 08:25 |
Dean wrote:
I inferred rather than assumed but the end result is the same. |
It wasn't something that you stated without proof (i.e. without facts), where it could be true or false but
not both?
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Posted: January 14 2017 at 01:51 |
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you're ignoring the questions I asked you. |
No I didn't. I just responded to them differently.
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Are you saying that you simply assumed that I was making a claim that I wasn't making? Did you just assume that I said something about whether anyone likes any techno or techno-prog crossovers without me actually saying that?
And did you simply assume that I was only making comments based on what people have said in this thread, and not on other empirical evidence?
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I inferred rather than assumed but the end result is the same.
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I'll answer that, but hold on a minute-- |
Nah, don't bother, I've lost interest in whatever the answer is.
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Posted: January 13 2017 at 11:24 |
Dean wrote:
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Your distinctions are a complete friggin mess, not to mention that you're invoking the idea of proof contra falsificationism. |
I used what are essentially the dictionary definitions, so any mess is the result of my poorly worded explanations rather than what these words mean.
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Okay then, clearly we have a huge misunderstanding here so please enlighten me - what is it you are saying exactly, and about whom, when you posted this then?
[QUOTE=Terrapin Station]... but they seem to be just as narrow-minded and purism-oriented as fans of any sort of music are.
This is an example of that in my opinion.
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I'll answer that, but hold on a minute--you're ignoring the questions I asked you. Are you saying that you simply assumed that I was making a claim that I wasn't making? Did you just assume that I said something about whether anyone likes any techno or techno-prog crossovers without me actually saying that?
And did you simply assume that I was only making comments based on what people have said in this thread, and not on other empirical evidence?
Edited by Terrapin Station - January 13 2017 at 11:24
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Posted: January 13 2017 at 11:21 |
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It was an interesting if not failed attempt to capitalize on a fad at the time. I agree that the 1000 versions of Fanfare weren't necessary. I picked up both CD's at a used CD shop in the Detroit area and have maybe listened to them twice. I would much rather listen to the various arrangements that the bands themselves did when playing live. I've said it before, bands like ELP, Yes and Peter Gabriel who constantly remade their own songs in concert were a refreshing listen in most cases. I saw Supertramp at Joe Louis arena many many years ago and they just played their songs note for note from the album. I found it kinda boring and thought if that's what I wanted to hear I could just play the album and hear better fidelity.
The "Remix" fad that you are indicating has happily been relegated to the the furthest annals of history.
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Posted: January 13 2017 at 11:10 |
Terrapin Station wrote:
Your distinctions are a complete friggin mess, not to mention that you're invoking the idea of proof contra falsificationism. |
I used what are essentially the dictionary definitions, so any mess is the result of my poorly worded explanations rather than what these words mean.
Terrapin Station wrote:
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Okay then, clearly we have a huge misunderstanding here so please enlighten me - what is it you are saying exactly, and about whom, when you posted this then?
Terrapin Station wrote:
... but they seem to be just as narrow-minded and purism-oriented as fans of any sort of music are.
This is an example of that in my opinion.
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Posted: January 13 2017 at 09:21 |
Dean wrote:
Of course they are different and they certainly are not synonyms. An opinion is a judgement formed on something that is not necessarily based upon facts or knowledge where an objective opinion is based on facts whereas a subjective opinion is not. However, an assumption is something that is stated without proof (i.e. without facts). An assumption differs from a subjective opinion because an assumption can either be true or false but not both (your assumption can be wrong) whereas a subjective opinion will always be true for the person making it (your subjective opinion is never wrong).
Therefore your 'opinion' is an assumption because you do not know whether those people here who don't like your two examples of techno/prog crossovers actually like techno or techno-prog crossovers or not - you have assumed they do not without proof. If I (for example) like the Floyd techno remixes but not the ELP and Yes ones then any 'opinion' you have on my view of techno-prog remixes is wrong. |
Your distinctions are a complete friggin mess, not to mention that you're invoking the idea of proof contra falsificationism. But okay, taking your distinctions for how you're stating them, you're saying that my opinion is framed as if it's an "objective opinion," but since it wasn't based on facts, it was just an assumption. Two big problems though: (1) Where did I say anything about whether anyone likes any techno or techno-prog crossovers? Could you quote where I said something about that? (2) What are your grounds for saying that anything I said in this thread about musical assessments was based only on what people said in this thread?
| No, classical music fans would not be 'narrow minded and purism-oriented' if they liked rock and liked some classical/prog crossovers but not others, |
Where is the idea that the people I'm talking about like some classical/prog crossovers but not others coming from?
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