The American Politics Thread

rogerthat wrote: There was another who said Biden calling Trump a clown/liar/asking him to shut up was unpresidential so he couldn't decide.  And here we are thinking Biden could have gone after him harder. Yeah, like Frank Luntz asked his focus group, what could you possibly be undecided/on the fence about at this stage in the race?

Luntz is one of those mainstream conservatives whose world is crumbling in front of him.   Anyone see him on PBS last night?   He's shell-shocked, like Tucker Carlson, and doesn't know what to do (though he's at least is willing to discuss it).   Like many during the pandemic, he's lost weight, grown a beard, and has transformed into a wavering, faltering politico with no traditional right-wing foundation remaining to work with.

^Right. I think at least some republicans have been conned but don't know they have been conned. That's how con artists and cult leaders work. They are able to trick you into thinking it was entirely your idea to believe them. They don't understand the dark tactics and manipulation they use. Although I suppose that's probably more true of the followers than the republicans in congress themselves. Many of them just think democrats are worse (there could be brainwashing involved with that too though).  

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 01 2020 at 13:29

I belong to the faction that can't make up their minds. is Trump a turd or a slimeball?

Easy Money wrote: ^ The list of Republican politicians who don't like trump is very lengthy, not to mention the many voters I know personally. Of course most of the Libertarian conservatives never did like him.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 01 2020 at 15:34

Edited by Atavachron - October 01 2020 at 15:40

SteveG wrote: Don't be fooled. Conservative hacks like Lutz love his deregulations and tax breaks for big business. Even if they hate him. It's all about the economy and the stock market. And thier own investments.

I would agree that many like some of his policies, but its his erratic rude behavior, egotistical dictatorial approach and all around lack of professionalism and knowledge that irks many that have to work with him.
Its hard to think of one person who has left his team that has one nice thing to say about him.

38 percent of Republicans still think that Trump walks on water. There's deeper connections that goes beyond the obvious.

SteveG wrote: 38 percent of Republicans still think that Trump walks on water. There's deeper connections that goes beyond the obvious.

Oh he has his followers, I know a lot of them personally, but I wonder how many of that %38 were active voting republicans before trump. I think a percentage are there because of him, but not necessarily there for other republicans.

Being raised in a conservative political activist family, its hard for me to think of trump as a conservative because he is not at all like any other conservative I have ever known. The decadence and immorality, the palsy relationship with a Russian dictator, the disdain for the FBI and the intelligence community and the disrespect for soldiers. The tariffs and rebates, these things are not what I would normally associate with a conservative, they're just trump things.

By the same token, after 20 years in San Francisco I am pretty well versed in liberal politics and it always bugged me to hear conservative people call bill clinton a liberal. bill's politics just shifted with what best suited his career, but a liberal, hardly.

I don't think I am necessarily arguing against anyone's opinion here, just my reflections after many years of following politics from various sides.

Edited by Easy Money - October 01 2020 at 18:03