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iluvmarillion
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Posted: March 07 2017 at 20:59 |
Think Wakeman would have been much happier with TOTO if the music had been written to fit a single CD, rather than he having to stretch the pieces that Anderson and Howe had written for the album, to have each of four movements fit one side of an LP.
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Rednight
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 08:14 |
Well, the obvious one is Page and Plant's disdain for "that damn wedding song" - Stairway to Heaven.
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Tapfret
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 10:53 |
Think Wakeman would have been much happier with TOTO if the music had been written to fit a single CD, rather than he having to stretch the pieces that Anderson and Howe had written for the album, to have each of four movements fit one side of an LP.
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Took my long enough to realize you were victimized by autocorrect that I had time to think of how awesome Africa or Rosanna would have been with if they were 2 album concepts with a slew of Wakeman solos.
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Rednight
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 11:41 |
Tapfret wrote:
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Think Wakeman would have been much happier with TOTO if the music had been written to fit a single CD, rather than he having to stretch the pieces that Anderson and Howe had written for the album, to have each of four movements fit one side of an LP. </span>
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Took my long enough to realize you were victimized by autocorrect that I had time to think of how awesome Africa or Rosanna would have been with if they were 2 album concepts with a slew of Wakeman solos. |
Holy Christ! Are we injecting those two MOR whores into the grand scheme of things. Why don't you mention Christopher Cross' Ride Like the Wind and Sailing next.
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Tapfret
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 12:25 |
^yes, and I was totally serious.
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Rednight
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 12:47 |
^Oh.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 13:28 |
Hmm. Ride Like The Wind in 13/8. I like it.
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Rednight
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 14:14 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
Everyone but Anderson (who loves everything) hated Union. And try to find a kind word from Wakeman regrding TFTO. | Wakeman and TFTO was the first one to come to mind for me.
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Wakeman had a few kind words for Tales' on a recent Tales' remaster, thank you very much.
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Dellinger
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 21:16 |
iluvmarillion wrote:
Think Wakeman would have been much happier with TOTO if the music had been written to fit a single CD, rather than he having to stretch the pieces that Anderson and Howe had written for the album, to have each of four movements fit one side of an LP. | Yeah, I believe he has said as much, and I think I would agree with him... though I guess the album wouldn't have the same mythical status it holds today if it had been done that way, I also think more people would actually like it and it would be less divisive of opinions.
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 21:18 |
Rednight wrote:
Well, the obvious one is Page and Plant's disdain for "that damn wedding song" - Stairway to Heaven. | I didn't know that. I think it's a beautiful song. So they must hate they had been forced to play it just about every concert since they released it (I guess). At least Pink Floyd didn't have to play Atom Heart Mother all that often.
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Tapfret
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 22:21 |
Rednight wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
Everyone but Anderson (who loves everything) hated Union. And try to find a kind word from Wakeman regrding TFTO. | Wakeman and TFTO was the first one to come to mind for me.
| Wakeman had a few kind words for Tales' on a recent Tales' remaster, thank you very much. |
Since I agree with his old opinion I won't be buying any remasters of it. So I will just have to take your word that Wakeman is now soft on Tales.
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Dean
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Posted: March 08 2017 at 22:59 |
Rednight wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
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Think Wakeman would have been much happier with TOTO if the music had been written to fit a single CD, rather than he having to stretch the pieces that Anderson and Howe had written for the album, to have each of four movements fit one side of an LP. </span>
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Took my long enough to realize you were victimized by autocorrect that I had time to think of how awesome Africa or Rosanna would have been with if they were 2 album concepts with a slew of Wakeman solos. | Holy Christ! Are we injecting those two MOR whores into the grand scheme of things. Why don't you mention Christopher Cross' Ride Like the Wind and Sailing next. |
Because it's very difficult to mistype/autocorrect 'TFTO' as 'Christopher Cross'
I despair sometimes, I really do.
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Todd
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 00:06 |
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I recently read on the DGM website (hence reliable) that Robert Fripp really loathed Lizard. He called it 'unlistenable'
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I remember reading that Wilson's new mix softened the Crusty One a bit toward the album.
I love the album, especially the title track, especially especially Bolero. One of the best melodies I've ever heard.
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 03:11 |
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My favourite album from both bands, although I wouldn't pay to see Waters play it either. Fripp played some songs from the album recently, maybe he likes it a bit more now. |
Lizard is my fave Crim, and AHM is in my top 3 Floyd Fripp has grown to like Lizard (or hate it a little less than before) while working with Wilson on the 40th anniv version. He was pleasantly surprised were his woprds, I think.
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 03:11 |
When Tangerine Dream made their breakthrough with 'Phaedra' in '74, Edgar Froese stated that he wished people never knew about the earlier albums.
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2dogs
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 05:52 |
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When Tangerine Dream made their breakthrough with 'Phaedra' in '74, Edgar Froese stated that he wished people never knew about the earlier albums. |
Oh dear, that would be a massive loss although I can understand he might not consider them representative of the way he wanted to project the group, as happened with Kraftwerk.
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Dean
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 06:34 |
2dogs wrote:
Havantville wrote:
When Tangerine Dream made their breakthrough with 'Phaedra' in '74, Edgar Froese stated that he wished people never knew about the earlier albums. |
Oh dear, that would be a massive loss although I can understand he might not consider them representative of the way he wanted to project the group, as happened with Kraftwerk. |
Well, to be a tad cynical about it: TD didn't own the rights to those albums (and AFAIK still don't) so probably wasn't getting paid royalties from them.
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zravkapt
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 06:35 |
What about the opposite - where an artist heaps praises on one album but their fans consider it one of their worst? I remember whenever Weird Al released a new album and someone asked him what his favourite is, he would say something like "Well, coincidentally, my favourite album is always the one I'm currently promoting. So, by far, my new album is the best thing I've ever done."
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Sean Trane
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 07:07 |
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What about the opposite - where an artist heaps praises on one album but their fans consider it one of their worst? |
Doesn't that happen all the time?? every time XYZ published a new album, which he calls his fave and it's the worst piece of crap.... since his previous one...
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Replayer
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Posted: March 09 2017 at 07:19 |
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every time XYZ published a new album, which he calls his fave and it's the worst piece of crap.... since his previous one... |
But I thought that Chris Squire, Alan White and Jimmy Page never released the planned XYZ album...
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